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Last Post 07/01/2015 11:56 AM by Cosmic Kid. 38 Replies.
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Oldfart

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06/17/2015 09:30 AM
Sideby. I think those are the latest Shimano cables. I replaced my shift cables recently and that's how they look. Weird. Work fine though.
Yo Mike

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06/17/2015 10:36 AM
To paraphrase The Bard, this is "Much Ado About Ugly".
stronz

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06/17/2015 01:19 PM
wow -- thats an awful lot of machinery needed to do something pretty darn simple. And really all in the name of aero? I'd understand if it werent for the fact that the bikes dont ride themselves. sitting on top of these aero bikes there is a human with bulges and pointy edges that are decidedly un-aero. Just silly imo
Cosmic Kid

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06/17/2015 01:39 PM
Your position is your position....the choice on making it efficient is up to you. There is plenty known about how to make your position aero (rotate your hips, lower stack height, narrow shoulders, etc).

The aerodynamics of a bike are there regardless of your position. Even if you have a crap position, an aero frame still makes you more efficient.

But, an aero frame is not a cure-all for poor decision making.
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ChinookPass

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06/17/2015 01:42 PM
Can't fault the bike manufs. for making the one part of the system they control (the bike!) more streamlined. And the 5'4" jockey who's piloting it will appreciate it. I've definitely passed a lot of folks with bulges and rounded edges toodling along on deep dish carbon wheels this summer so folks are definitely paying for aero.

For my curiosity, what is the benefit of road hydraulic vs road disc? I thought the problem that needed to be solved was how to stop carbon wheels on long descents or in the wet which seems to be best solved by road disc or surfaced rim braking tracks and proper pads. I'm not sure hydraulic adds any benefit to rim braking.

As far as integration goes, the bike manufs. are trying to make something the buyer things is cooler, for cheaper than they can buy from the OEMs, to sell for more. So in that case, this bike and the new Trek are wins for them as long as those brakes work as good as the industry standard shimano/sram/campag offering.
Inferno7

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06/18/2015 07:11 AM
Man these new bikes look cool. Love the designs and the engineering that make them possible. I'll take the Specialized over the Trek.
Cosmic Kid

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06/18/2015 09:47 AM
Cav's Venge from Tour de Suisse. Interesting bars.....would like to know if those bars are the standard issue, or just what Cav choose to achieve his desired stack height with the reach he wanted.

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6ix

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06/19/2015 07:03 PM
It's a bit emotional seeing these latest designs as they are likely to be the last premier road bikes developed for use with rim brakes. Think about it. They are the swan-song for rim brakes because these were in development before the UCI approved the use of discs in competition. From now on, everything will be designed for discs except for the entry-level models and even then that's not necessarily the case. It's kind of like V-brakes on mountain-bikes. Do those even exist any longer?
Orange Crush

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06/19/2015 07:26 PM
6ix - I thought CK said he was hopeful hydraulic rim brakes were going to win over discs? Although as per ChinookPass' comment I don't think hydraulic rim brakes are a solution.
longslowdistance

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06/20/2015 08:34 AM
6ix, interesting observations.
Nick A

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06/20/2015 09:20 AM
So the pendulum has swung once again to aero. That's OK, give it a few years, it'll be back to weight, then ergonomic...then aero again.

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Cosmic Kid

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06/22/2015 11:29 AM
Well, I am hopeful that hydraulic rims can win out in the road category, but I am not necessarily optimistic. There is a heap of momentum towards road discs right nowand consumers seem to be oblivious to the negatives that go along with the positives.

IMO, the negatives far outweigh the positives for a pure road application, but if I were a product manager right now in the bike biz, I would almost certainly be spec'ing discs for most of my bikes.
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KootnaMoots

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06/22/2015 12:55 PM
In 1992/1993 I purchased a Specialized Top shelf FRS mountain bike which came with Caliper brakes. About that time Magura came out with Hyd rim brakes which I had installed. They would stop a bit better than the calipers, much better in the wet but for a MTB with the dirt on the rim it didn't take long for the rims to be toast. Shortly after the Vee brakes were here and that ended that experiment. The bike also had the Xray twist grip shifters which I still Prefer. Still have problems deciding which lever to push or pull and I am sure age has something to do with it.
Gonzo Cyclist

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06/22/2015 04:14 PM
Sagan has been riding one of these also, his looks way too small though. Has anyone noticed that he does not look comfortable on the Spez bikes? Cannondale had a custom for him, extra long top tube

Not a Spez fan, but I'm curious about the full internal routing, very cool, but I bet the mechanics hate it!! That has got to be a bitch to work on

Kootna, just pulled some of those Magura's off my brothers 95' S-Works Team, man those things were heavy, and not that great, the Tektro V-Brakes I replaced them with work like 10 times better
Cosmic Kid

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06/23/2015 07:41 AM
Blech....not digging this pic. HB setup is FUGLY!!



And this statement?

The carbon Venge is actually one of five new products Specialized is unveiling this week as a "complete aerodynamic ecosystem." Along with the Venge, there's a new skinsuit, helmet, shoes, and wheel-and-tire system. All together, the project is dubbed "5 Minutes," which is how much time you'll save over 40 kilometers, or about 25 miles, if you're riding this bike and wearing the gear, the company says. That is, compared to its previous similar bike and gear.


Yeah, I'm calling bullschitt on that.
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