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10 Speed Cassette and Chain
Last Post 07/24/2013 11:20 AM by Michael Merva. 10 Replies.
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Pin0Q0

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07/23/2013 04:50 PM

Anyone has any idea how many miles I can get out of Campy Record cassette and chain. I currently have close to 8K miles on them. Since I am not really concerned about weight, would it wise to down grade to Chorus, or even Veloce? I know I can get more miles out of Record but I would like to see if the cost is justifiable.
 
I use to get at least 6k out of Ultegra and 10k out of DA 9 speed and am wondering if Chorus and Record are all along the same line, and yes I tend to be a hammer-head so I do put a lot of strain and tension on the chain, probably more than the average Joe, but I do keep the chain clean and lubed.

I am concerned because I don’t want the chain to snap on me in the middle of ride. After reading a thread posted by 6ix I did some researched and realized I need $200 tool ($100 Pedro’s) for chain installation and come to find I bought and been carrying the wrong “frikin” tool with me on rides for the past year and a half (drum mass).

Thx Master50 for shedding some light on the matter for the ill-informed.

The campy 10 speed chain specs out at 5.9 mm wide and apparently is 3mm narrower than before and I was wondering what other options (if any) do I have than actually having to buy the stinking tool which is bulky and will require its own rear jersey pocket all for itself.

Ridiculous I tell you ridiculous !!

zootracer

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07/23/2013 06:35 PM
I just replaced a Veloce cassette at 7K. I use KMC (ten speed) chains and swap them out at 2K. Of course mileage will differ depending on maintenance and how religious you are about keeping your driveline clean. I have a compact crank and it chews up chains faster. Veloce cassettes have plastic spacers and individual cogs. The KMC chains come with a "Missing Link" connecting link, which is resuable. You will most likely need a tool to remove the Missing Link. I use a Park MLP-1 Master Link Chain Pliers. Tough to remove otherwise, unless you break the chain for complete removal.

The last time I used a Campy chain is when my bike was brand new (it came with one). Been using KMC's since. They are 5.9. The Campy chains shift a tad smoother and the KMC's make a little noise. You can find a KMC chain for around $30.00.
Master50

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07/24/2013 01:16 AM
Advice is cheap and you are most welcome. I have a lot of it.
I get about 15,000 km out of a cassette and maybe 5000 out of a chain. Often need to change 1 or 2 cogs after 2nd chain. Branford bike is great for singles, Buy steel ones for replacements. Ti is too expensive.
On a ride I only carry a 10 speed quick link that fits my campy chain. If you have to drive out a link pin you can use any chain tool that fits the narrow plates. You only need special chain tools to set a campy pin on a new chain. I like to own my own tools but my shop used to lend me the tool until I could find the Pedro's. The campy tool is pretty and does a great job but like you, the coin to look after only 3 bikes won't get enough use.
laurentja

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07/24/2013 02:36 AM
I've been using Centaur or Veloce 10 cassettes for years. Record cassettes are outrageous and my bike is light enough that I can't justify Ti cogs. I have 5 wheels with C10 cassettes so it's hard to say how many km I'm getting out of them. I use Campy chains so far, and KMC or Wipperman links. Either works great. I use my old Park tool to break the chain when installing it new, and join with the link. Like M50 said, I carry a spare quick link in my seat bag. If the chain broke, I could push out a pin with my multi-tool and rejoin it with the link. Careful with these links, they do have wear limits. I replace the chain every year (I always tear my bikes down over the winter) and err on the cautious side and use a fresh link. Never had a chain failure. I also never take my chain apart for cleaning. It's not necessary and increases the possibility of failure.
I do have the bug to go to EPS, but that means 11sp. The chains are 2x the cost, and won't wear as long, and I will need a new tool (Park or Pedros have more reasonably priced tools). And for what? For a 12 that I will never use... (been happily using 13-26 cassettes on all wheels).
79pmooney

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07/24/2013 03:34 AM
Master, is Branford still in business? Weren't they in Montana and didn't the building burn down several years ago? I thought I recalled getting a letter saying they were not going to stay in business. I'd love to be wrong.

Ben
Pin0Q0

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07/24/2013 09:55 AM
I've had quick quick links on my Mtn. bike before and trying to connect and disconnect them under different conditions is not much fun. However I did read great reviews on Wippermann thou and ordered a set for $13. Hope it's this easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqGMPAFtWgo

Gra$$y a$$ for your priceless input Gentz.

k
Master50

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07/24/2013 10:05 AM
Posted By 79 pmooney on 07/24/2013 03:34 AM
Master, is Branford still in business? Weren't they in Montana and didn't the building burn down several years ago? I thought I recalled getting a letter saying they were not going to stay in business. I'd love to be wrong.

Ben


I think they are now in Seattle under new ownership but I have recently sent a message that bounced indicating the mailbox was full. I have purchased replacement cogs from them last year. As for 11 speed chains. they are lasting as long as the 10s and Campy says they are in fact stronger than 10s
Master50

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07/24/2013 10:35 AM
Posted By Kameron Kameron on 07/24/2013 09:55 AM
I've had quick quick links on my Mtn. bike before and trying to connect and disconnect them under different conditions is not much fun. However I did read great reviews on Wippermann thou and ordered a set for $13. Hope it's this easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqGMPAFtWgo

Gra$$y a$$ for your priceless input Gentz.

k


When Campy first introduced the permanent chain connection, I ignored them and would still break the chain and put it back together like I had always done before. At least until I broke a chain on Hurricane ridge. After nearly 2 hours of climbing my chain broke. No chain tool. I did not lose the pin so I got 2 rocks and beat the plate back onto the pin. Managed to complete the ride and still I did not get the message. I rebroke the chain I guess in the same place. After that I started using Campy chains as they were designed and now only use the connecting links as repairs on road. To date I have never used it on my road bikes since the campy pins work great when you follow instructions. Be aware that if you like the connect links that they don't live as long as the chain in many cases and often must be changed out after only 2 or 3000 Km. SRAM links that come with their chains are meant to be single use but they do last as long as the base chain. I like their chains on 8 and 9 speed drive trains.
zootracer

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07/24/2013 11:04 AM
In a pinch if you break a chain on a ride you can use a Wipperman Connex Link. I pack one in my seat bag, along with a chain tool. I have broken one chain, a Wipperman SS. I have stopped a couple of time to help riders with broken chains. No one packs a chain tool. And no one packs a spare connecting link. Well, not 'no one', but maybe a few riders.

Yeah, Branford Bike is in Seattle. I called them once after I screwed up an order. i forgot what if was for, some type of Campy replacement part. Only place i could find it. Very helpful and friendly.
laurentja

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07/24/2013 11:06 AM
Posted By Mike Shea on 07/24/2013 10:05 AM
Posted By 79 pmooney on 07/24/2013 03:34 AM
Master, is Branford still in business? Weren't they in Montana and didn't the building burn down several years ago? I thought I recalled getting a letter saying they were not going to stay in business. I'd love to be wrong.

Ben


I think they are now in Seattle under new ownership but I have recently sent a message that bounced indicating the mailbox was full. I have purchased replacement cogs from them last year. As for 11 speed chains. they are lasting as long as the 10s and Campy says they are in fact stronger than 10s


Exactly... http://branfordbike.com/storelocator/
Yo Mike

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07/24/2013 11:20 AM
/Veloce cassettes have plastic spacers and individual cogs./

Good to know, as my Chorus cogset has at least 1 cog that is beginning to skip a bit.

Anyone have experience with 10s Miche cogsets? I see some on eBay for around $60 shipped, in 12-27 even.

And a +1 to the KMC chains. Have also used IRD w/o probs.
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