Fave tires?
Last Post 04/25/2014 01:19 PM by 79 pmooney. 57 Replies.
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Hoshie

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04/22/2014 01:36 PM
Hi
Glad to see the industry finally realizing the benefits of tires, particularly for more versatility in road'ish bikes.

Some of my faves include

Road - Conti gp4000s, 23s or 25s as the go fast tires. Mich Pro Race 25s as well rounded racy tires with more volume

Cross - Challenge Grifos for racing are great for fast and all around conditions.Really supple. But not hearty. Racing Ralphs were decent all arounders with decent float and grip except in muddy conditions.

Mountain -Kenda Nevegals for all around conditions - loads of grip but a little slow

What are your favorities to roll on and why?

J
jrt1045

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04/22/2014 02:13 PM
Maxxis Ardents, 29x2.25

I like the way they roll, just enough tread, respond well to low pressure, soft enough without splitting a sidewall at the sight of a rock
ChinookPass

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04/22/2014 02:25 PM
I like vittoria roubaix 700x28 for commuting and rubino pro 700x25 for joy riding and can usually find them on sale and keep the drawer in the garage stocked with an extra set of each. As another forumite suggested, 3 tires is a set and I typically wear through two in the rear in the time it takes to wear one on the front.

I like contis too but they seem to wear a lot more unpredictably and have had too many contis that have had weird premature failures, either sidewall or sections of the tread just peeling off.
79pmooney

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04/22/2014 02:30 PM
I want to try the new Clement 28c Strada LGGs. They sound like a really good 28c tire.

Vittoria Open Paves, esp on the fixie. Feel like full on race tires, have lots of grip, are very predictable and roll so smoothly I have stopped to check tire pressure many times thinking they were getting flat! They cut easily and wear pretty fast, so it's an expensive high, but I really like the fewer crashes and scares on dicey, esp wet roads.

Paselas as the workhorse (and very rideable) city/winter/etc tire. (32c on my Mooney, 28s on my two winter bikes and 25c on my good ti bikes when I am not running the Open Paves. I have a lot of good rides on them.

Ben
vtguy

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04/22/2014 02:40 PM
Road -- Conti 4000s 23s
Cross -- Conti Speed (mostly used on gravel roads)
Mt -- Specialized Renegade
Orange Crush

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04/22/2014 02:41 PM
Various incarnations of the Armadillos, 25s on the winter road bike, 23s on the summer bike. I have limited time to ride every week and therefore zero tollerance for flats on my time off. These are the only tires that have never disappointed in this respect and I'm willing to pay the price in performance (I don;t race anyways). The 25s go on and off road (gravel dike trails) just fine.

26x1.9s on the commuter, the 30+ lbs Tank. So once I get on my road bikes, it feels like a breeze.
Oldfart

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04/22/2014 03:19 PM
On my "enduroing" bike, 2.3 Maxxis 3C High Roller II on the front and 3C 2.3 DHRII on the back. Tubeless and psi in the low 20's. They roll pretty well and grip is astounding. Bit porky though. The Schwalbe tubeless road tires ride really nice but I got flats this winter. On the road I am using fat 28 Clement tires now. The Strada LGG. Not too bad if I run them at 70. Cheap though at $35 each and the ride quality is cheap too. But that's the 60 tpi version. I would like to try the 120 tpi. Or go back to Hutchinson Fusion tubeless for the summer.

Mountain bike tires are so regional. Kenda's in BC are dead. People around here generally despise them. Same with Ardents which I think are a pretty decent. Really what many riders on the North Shore/Squamish/Whistler corridor like are sticky rubber in 2.3 or larger. Weight be damned. Minion DHF is a huge favourite here for front and rear. Conti have a goofy requirement that any shop that carries them needs to by a large amount. Or they used to so you don't see their off road tires much. I have used them a fair bit. You must get the black chili compound though. Their non bc ones are like hard plastic. Some Schwalbe's are good. Some not so hot.
Cosmic Kid

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04/22/2014 03:30 PM
Vittoria Corsa CX are still my fave, but I have a set of Zipp Tangente ready to glue up for race season this summer. Reportedly low Crr and good road feel.

Tubulars still trump clinchers for me (at least on my race wheels)....but I do train now on clinchers. For that I use Conti GatorSkins, which honestly, is a schitt tire. Yeah, it has good puncture protection, but the Crr is god-awful. I can literally feel how "slow" the tires are. Which for a training tire isn't the end of the world, since I train by power. I couldn't care less about how "fast" I am training....only putting out XX watts for YY period of time. Then when I get on my race wheels (more aero, lower Crr) and hit those same watts, I feel like i am FLYING!!

For you guys rolling on clinchers, upgrade to latex tubes, if you haven't already. Noticeable difference in ride quality and Crr. You'll go faster.



Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
THE SKINNY

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04/22/2014 03:49 PM
i'm not a tire guy. in the 14 years i've been road riding i've only used continental gatorskins 25mm (i think) with mr. tuffy tire liners. the mtb tires used to be IRC mythos 2.1 but for the last several years it's been hutchison python 2.1. the commuter is some nashbar 35mm tire with a nice reflective bead.
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Hoshie

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04/22/2014 03:51 PM
CK - Have you had good luck with the Corsa CX? I tried a set (clinchers) and mine flatted whenever I looked funny at them. Then, I tore a hole in the 3rd one JRA, so back to Conti GPs I went. And the CRR is supposed to be "top" on the Contis.

Ben, been wanting to try some wider Paselas for my city street rides. That or those new Clements since I tend to like to hit dirt from time to time on my road bike.

J
Hoshie

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04/22/2014 03:58 PM
Skinny, Gatorskins are a plenty decent choice imho for hearty, general purpose training and riding. Yet there is a whole world of tires out there and I think they freshen up the ride of your bike at a much lower cost than new parts if you shop wisely.

I also like Mr Tuffy's and after flatting "n" times during cross season, I put a set under my fancy race tires and rode the rest of the season flat free. Sometimes, you gotta do what's needed!

j
Cosmic Kid

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04/22/2014 04:12 PM
Hoshie....My Corsa tires are the tubular version, which seem to hold up better than the Open Corsa (clinchers). A lot of people report problems with the Open Corsas and flatting. Switching to a latex *may* help with the flatting. (and that is what the tubies use).

Crr on COnti clinchers is great. IN fact, Chainlove has been throwing the GP4000S up on their site pretty regularly lately. Woth doing some trolling....theya re like $30, IIRC. Conti tubulars pretty much blow, IMO. Very harsh ride.

Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Keith Richards

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04/22/2014 04:19 PM
In general, I just buy whatever is on sale when I need tires. I have been fond of Schwalbe tires as of late but I am dying to try out the Serfas 700x28 folding tires that are out now.
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Pin0Q0

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04/23/2014 05:29 AM
Vittoria, and Kenda for durability, and Maxxis for rolling resistance. I stay away from Conti, too many flats and they wears out faster than others. All 23s, and if I find a good deal I’ll even go with a 21. Refuse to pay more than $70 for a set.

For Mtb what ever I find on sale considering I only ride about 400 miles a year in the cold months.
Keith Richards

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04/23/2014 06:38 AM
21mm?!?!? I have not gone that small since the mid 90s.
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Orange Crush

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04/23/2014 09:21 AM
Posted By Keith Jackson on 04/23/2014 06:38 AM
21mm?!?!? I have not gone that small since the mid 90s.

I was just observing on FB that the steel bike retro grouches should go 20 for ol time sake


23 is my narrowest, 25 widest for road bikes although latter is closer to 27 when measured. The 23 is in fact a 23.

jacques_anquetil

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04/23/2014 10:03 AM
after flatting out on 23mm at a crucial moment a road race last summer i am done with that size.

i'm with hoshie. up to 25s for all road bike wheels: Michelin Pro Race 4 (which is almost a 28) on C24s, very cushy; and Continental GP4000 on the C50s.

for the cyclocross: Panaracer Pasellas 32s at 60psi is awesome for gravel grinding; Michelin Muds for clincher training; nothing beats Dugast Typhoons for racing tubulars but dang it if they don't last longer than 12-15 races.

29'r: again, nothing beats volume with WTB ExiWolf 2.3s.
Pin0Q0

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04/23/2014 10:22 AM
It's not the width that causes flats, it's the PSI. Ride on 110 psi and hit a pot hole and you are doomed with a flat and maybe a dent in your rim. I won't ride anything less than 130 psi on 23 and 150 on 21s. Your a$$ will get use to it after a couple of rides. Back in the day I raced on Rolf tubular @180 psi, .....but they were 25s
Master50

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04/23/2014 12:48 PM
Posted By Kameron Kameron on 04/23/2014 10:22 AM
It's not the width that causes flats, it's the PSI. Ride on 110 psi and hit a pot hole and you are doomed with a flat and maybe a dent in your rim. I won't ride anything less than 130 psi on 23 and 150 on 21s. Your a$$ will get use to it after a couple of rides. Back in the day I raced on Rolf tubular @180 psi, .....but they were 25s


I am migrating to 25s on My Fenderless bike. Currently use Vittoria open corsa. 23 on front and 25 in the rear at 100 psi for my 170 pounds. I have not pinched a tube for years. I went from Conti to Vredestien to Vittoria where I am very happy. They last me 2 seasons and one reason I prefer the Vittoria is they maintain their grip even as the tire ages and hardens. My Conti experience was pretty good except the rubber got harder the second year and typically would lose wet traction first. the Vredestien also started out very good with great cornering and decent wet weather but by mid second year the rubber was rotting such that the tire would get full of little tiny bits of sand and glass to a point where the tubes would get very slow leaks. Going forward new wheels will all be tubeless as I think that is the surest way to reduce flats and not go back to tubulars. I really never enjoyed tubulars as a total experience. They were nice when full of air but the hassles and expense of flats pretty much ruined that experience. On my MTB I like Shwalbe Rocket Ron in 29er and the tubeless ready tires are a great compromise between a full tubeless tire and a non tubeless tire with lots of sealant. the Sidewalls are a little more air tight but requires sealant to fully keep the air in, Good weight compromise with more sidewall cut resistance. Like the Kenda Navigals for the 26 I gave my wife. Winter bikes get 23s for fenders and what ever cheap folder with a puncture resistant strip. Currently using Shwalbe Rubino tires because I was getting them cheap. No flats this winter on them either.
dkri

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04/23/2014 01:07 PM
Posted By Kameron Kameron on 04/23/2014 10:22 AM
It's not the width that causes flats, it's the PSI. Ride on 110 psi and hit a pot hole and you are doomed with a flat and maybe a dent in your rim. I won't ride anything less than 130 psi on 23 and 150 on 21s. Your a$$ will get use to it after a couple of rides. Back in the day I raced on Rolf tubular @180 psi, .....but they were 25s
Holy cats I could not ride your bike.  Last summer I tried 120 based on a friend going on and on about it, and made it 100'.  We couldn't be further apart in our preferences.  I'd rather pinch flat once in a blue moon than detest every second of every ride. 

Preferred road setup is 23mm tubeless (Hutchinson Galaktik now) at ~70f/75r.  Also Mich Pro4 23 at maybe 75f/80r (they measure appx 25.5mm wide on the rims I use, I have no need for wider)

CX I go Grifo 33 tubular for most things, 27f/30r-ish

MTB I like the Ikon 2.2 rear and Ardent 2.4 front.  As absolutely little air in them as I can do without constant bottom outs.  23f/26r happens a lot. 

formerly dkri
Keith Richards

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04/23/2014 01:19 PM
90-95psi on 25s. Been doing it for years now on my steel bikes. No need for any higher. I would not go above 120psi on ANY tire on the road. Diminishing returns.
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Hoshie

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04/23/2014 02:11 PM
right, depends on rim width and rider weight. One thing I learned in cross is the value of dialing in tire pressure depending on course conditions.

On the road, I was always a 100 guy, never pumped to 110 or 120. Now that I have wide rims, I go to 80-85 as topped off and life is good.

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79pmooney

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04/23/2014 02:20 PM
130 psi? I've never put more than 115 in a tire. Sew-ups many years ago. Rarely go over 112 for anything now. The other day I rode the 24c Open Paves with 102 front/104 rear and it was sweet. Yes, on a bad enough pothole I would bottom out and maybe damage a rim. If I were racing, I would use similar tubulars on light rims and not much more pressure. And I might bottom out occasionally. That's why I would race tubbies.

Ben
Sweet Milk

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04/23/2014 02:40 PM
Lately I have been riding Michelin Pro 4s, 25 in the back at 95 psi, 23 in the front at 90 psi. More by coincidence (these were the tires that I had available) than by plan. I find I am really liking this set-up and will likely keep this configuration for the foreseeable future.

on a side note: I am surprised by how much better wearing the Pro 4s are than the 3s.
THE SKINNY

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04/23/2014 03:00 PM
i only put in 90-95 psi because i'm usually worn out pumping by then.
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Orange Crush

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04/23/2014 03:42 PM
what are there psi's you guys keep talking about?!?

8 bars gets 5 stars by me. it's the low end of the min/max range recommended for the tires. its a narrow range; there is such a thing as an optimal pressure for each setup.
Keith Richards

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04/23/2014 03:46 PM
Ok OC, since you asked. 6-6.5 bar on my Silca.
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Oldfart

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04/23/2014 04:00 PM
At a little over 140 pounds I rarely go higher than 90. On those gigantic 28's I am auditioning 70 seems pretty good. Off road tires i use as low as 20 but rarely more than 26. That's always tubeless and 2.2 to 2.35 width.
Cosmic Kid

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04/23/2014 04:19 PM
So I shipped my road bike out to AZ for this weekend and early next week when I am in Scotsdale on business. My training wheels went with it.

Rode the TT bike today with my Zipp tubulars........wheeeeeee!! Damn those things are fast. Gatorskins suck.....but I strongly encourage all my competitors in the M45-49 age group to use them!!!
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Orange Crush

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04/23/2014 05:37 PM
Posted By Keith Jackson on 04/23/2014 03:46 PM
Ok OC, since you asked. 6-6.5 bar on my Silca.


that get's too cadillac squishy for me.
smokey52

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04/23/2014 07:24 PM
I have sworn off Contis. Too many sidewall failures. I sent them an inquiry, but never got a response, which doesn't alleviate my pissed-off attitude. I put a set of Armadillos on my last bike because I got sick of flats. I passed that bike on to my son when I got a new Domane. I am still rolling on the Bontragers that came with it. No problems so far.
tommaso

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04/24/2014 03:42 AM
Posted By Joop Zoetemelk (as if..) on 04/23/2014 02:40 PM
Lately I have been riding Michelin Pro 4s, 25 in the back at 95 psi, 23 in the front at 90 psi. More by coincidence (these were the tires that I had available) than by plan. I find I am really liking this set-up and will likely keep this configuration for the foreseeable future.

on a side note: I am surprised by how much better wearing the Pro 4s are than the 3s.

just wondering, did you buy the endurance model or service course?...
tommaso

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04/24/2014 03:51 AM
I've currently got 23mm conti 4 seasons on my road bike, an old tommaso, but in a month or so I'll change 'em out for 25mm conti 4000's...and I've lowered pressure over the years and now ride about 7 bars in back and just under 7 bars up front...

my city bike, an old rivendell, and the bike i use to get to the park to run on trails, has 1.35 schwalbe marathon plus tires...they are heavy, but indestructible and amazingly comfortable...5 bars of pressure in back, a little less than 5 up front... these tires handle all the streets, bike lanes, and spin drift and glass you can throw at them...

Pin0Q0

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04/24/2014 06:56 AM
Oey Vey – Here is a can of worms. I do not like riding with a “squished marshmallow” tire look when on the bike. You’ll see that between your legs when riding. I weigh 172 and notice a huge difference in both climbs and acceleration if my tire is under-flated (over-flated according to you buttercups Yes granted the ride is much softer at a lower PSI for those who have sensitive and soft rear ends but like I said you’ll get use to it and soon you’ll become a harda$$.

These are nice but at $80 a pop is kind of expensive. Usually I shop for them online during winter and sometimes get a set for that price.

http://shop.maxxis.com/c/bicycle_road_radiale-22c

And these were the type of tubular I used to ride @ 170 PSI http://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/continental-sprinter-gatorskin-tubular-tire
Cosmic Kid

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04/24/2014 10:10 AM
The bike may "feel" more responsive, but the reality is that you are actually INCREASING your Crr (unless you are on a smooth piece of marble or a velodrome).

You are slowing yourself down by inflating to such a high pressure.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Keith Richards

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04/24/2014 10:37 AM
What CK said.

While it may feel fast, all the empirical evidence says that lower tire pressures, up to a point obviously, are better for overall performance.
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Pin0Q0

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04/24/2014 10:46 AM
Nope - Disagree, even though there is no evidance what I state has been proven but experience tells me otherwise they way I ride a bike.

Try it with your car. Inflate your car tire by about 10 PSI and take a drive on a country road.
Keith Richards

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04/24/2014 11:03 AM
I autocross cars...you are wrong.
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Cosmic Kid

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04/24/2014 11:06 AM
That is a poor analogy....your car has suspension outside of the tires. A bike does not.

Out of curiosity, how do you ride a bike that is different than the rest of us, or that allows for the laws of physics to be suspended?

Again, perception is a powerful tool. Higher PSI may "feel" faster, but it isn't. This have been proven through data.

Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Master50

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04/24/2014 11:32 AM
Posted By smokey 52 on 04/23/2014 07:24 PM
I have sworn off Contis. Too many sidewall failures. I sent them an inquiry, but never got a response, which doesn't alleviate my pissed-off attitude. I put a set of Armadillos on my last bike because I got sick of flats. I passed that bike on to my son when I got a new Domane. I am still rolling on the Bontragers that came with it. No problems so far.


Smokey if Armadillos are your tire of choice I can only say that performance is not why you chose that tire. I tried armadillos and I got a run of flats. That I had been using continentals is ironic. I fear those tires as they were hard riding and cornered like they had a grease strip in them. I just could not get confident even on my wet weather bike where flat protection is more important than performance. My wife has been riding Conti 4000s and to date she gets 1/4 the flats I do. I attribute that to the 60 pound difference. I ride Vittoria open Corsa and Rubino's on my 2 road bikes. In the end Vittoria has been my favourite tire and that is for the confidence they provide. Armadillos did nothing well for me. I took the multiple flats as an omen more than a commentary on that aspect of their reputation.
Keith Richards

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04/24/2014 11:38 AM
Armadillos ride like crap. I hear that Specialized is coming out with a new model that has better rode feel, but I tried a pair back in the 90's and immediately took them off. I value ride quality more than puncture resistance.

And I ride through the city all the time. Where are you all riding that you need all this massive puncture resistance?
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tommaso

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04/24/2014 12:01 PM
Posted By Keith Jackson on 04/24/2014 11:38 AM
Armadillos ride like crap. I hear that Specialized is coming out with a new model that has better rode feel, but I tried a pair back in the 90's and immediately took them off. I value ride quality more than puncture resistance.

And I ride through the city all the time. Where are you all riding that you need all this massive puncture resistance?
same here, Keith...was working in Manhattan in 1999, tried the armadillos and took them off after the first ride...like riding on garden hose...i'd think by now they've improved the ride, but I never wanted to try again...

Cosmic Kid

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04/24/2014 12:03 PM
For me, I threw on the GatorSkins precisely because I knew they rolled like cr@p. Most of my training rides are solo and I don't really care what my speed is as long as I ma hitting my wattage goals.

That said, I am somewhat regretting the decision.....precisely because they are such cr@p tires. It is really a slog to ride them. I'm hoping they wear out quickly......
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
zootracer

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04/24/2014 12:48 PM
"Favorite" and what I can afford are two different animals. Fave would be Vittoria Open Corsa EVO SC. Only tire I used that made a huge difference on how my bike rode and handled. Way too expensive now, unless I had two sets of wheels (which I don't).

Currently using Conti Grand prix) old model brought back). Ride nice, wear well, and so far, few flats. Michelin Lithion's, Ride nic, wear like iron,. prone to pick up those little star thistle thorns I get a lot in my neck of the woods.

Otherwise, what ever is on sale, in 700x25, folding.
Orange Crush

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04/24/2014 12:52 PM
Posted By Keith Jackson on 04/24/2014 11:38 AM
Armadillos ride like crap. I hear that Specialized is coming out with a new model that has better rode feel, but I tried a pair back in the 90's and immediately took them off. I value ride quality more than puncture resistance.

And I ride through the city all the time. Where are you all riding that you need all this massive puncture resistance?


You are basing your opinion on an experience from the 90s, really? I've been riding them since mid-2000s after trying to bunch of other tires with supposed flat protection but none come close and I got sick of standing next road in pouring rain at 5C mid-winter trying to fix a flat. I've pulled all manner of things out of the Armadillos without flatting; city riding just like you with on top of that all the winter crap you get on the road, dirt, rocks, glass, nails, you name it. I will agree that the 25s are heavy ass tires (they are more like 27s) that don't corner particularly well but I've got no complaints with the 23s; they roll and corner just fine for what I need to do and when I have to make a choice between a sudden veer into traffic to avoid the next piece of crap on the shoulder or just ride straight through it, I know I can do that pretty much with impunity. I rent bikes pretty regularly and get to experience better rolling tires in the process but the difference with the 23s isn't that great that I'd make the switch. Not at my speed anyway.
Keith Richards

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04/24/2014 12:58 PM
No it is more a case of having never heard anything about them riding any better over the years:

Despite the stiff competition, Specialized thinks it has a winner, and has some numbers to back it up. Please note, though, that all of these figures are directly from Specialized.

In comparison to the old All Condition Armadillo Elite, the new tire has reduced rolling resistance by a whopping 30 percent. Frankly, this is made considerably less impressive by the terrible ride quality of the previous model. They rode like blocks of wood strapped to the rims. But it’s still a good sign, as lower rolling resistance on the test rig generally translates to a good road feel when actually on pavement.



Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/04/bikes-and-tech/reviews/reviewed-new-specialized-condition-armadillo-elite_323343#mrIP5MiMPCBfBcwj.99
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Oldfart

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04/24/2014 01:03 PM
I think most of my recent punctures are due to the fact that that I ride through or past construction zones. Apparently one day a few weeks back there were something like 20 flat vehicle tires including buses on the Burrard Bridge where the City is redoing the expansion joints. I did puncture that day too but I dug out a hunk of glass. Earlier in the year it was two little wire bits in the rear tire. usually though I do not puncture much. Very few of the punture resistant tires I have tried ride well though. Too frickin stiff.
Orange Crush

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04/24/2014 01:20 PM
That's exactly why I ride the Armadillos Andy; I am sure I pass many of same construction zones.

Last different tire I tried was Michelin Krylions, I believe the predessor to current Pro4s. I gave them a month before ditching them, glass flat, pinch flat from pot hole, etc.; didn't make me any faster, I just spent more time next to road. As I said on previous page I buy my tires with one objective only, to maximize time on the bike, and minimize time fixing tires.

Yes the ride quality is an aquired taste perhaps but I can't take review statements like the one Keith posted seriously. If they were really like wood blocks I would have noticed the difference with this last month. Can't say that I did.

BTW - from that review it sounds like the new Armadillos are a winner: "The new All Condition Armadillo Elite, unveiled Thursday, is a delicious cocktail of race-bred rubber and burly flat protection and is one of — if not the — best training tires on the market. Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/04/bikes-and-tech/reviews/reviewed-new-specialized-condition-armadillo-elite_323343#b10wPGDUGXuAUhof.99"
ChinookPass

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04/24/2014 02:21 PM
These tires should be cushy.

Keith Richards

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04/24/2014 02:54 PM
OC, I definitely read the whole thing which is why I posted it. While I would not take one reviewers opinion as fact myself, he is just another in the chorus of cyclists who hated the road feel of the old Armadillo tires.

I am glad the Specialized made a new better tire...but I am not a Specialized fan so I won't be buying.
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79pmooney

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04/24/2014 03:25 PM
Chinook, don't you have to carry an air compressor if you want any level of self-sufficiency? "I gave him my 2 CO2s and the mini pump. Came by two hours later and he was still pumping."

Ben
ChinookPass

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04/24/2014 04:24 PM
I believe they are filled with peat from Scottish bogs. They never go flat.
Orange Crush

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04/24/2014 07:10 PM
Posted By Keith Jackson on 04/24/2014 02:54 PM
OC, I definitely read the whole thing which is why I posted it. While I would not take one reviewers opinion as fact myself, he is just another in the chorus of cyclists who hated the road feel of the old Armadillo tires.

I am glad the Specialized made a new better tire...but I am not a Specialized fan so I won't be buying.


I know, I know Keith, I've read and heard all that "road feel" many times. But I like to go by my own experiences. Call me a stubborn Dutch guy. Heck, being Dutch I'd know if my bike had wooden shoes as so claimed.
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04/25/2014 10:35 AM
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Sweet Milk

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04/25/2014 10:42 AM
The Dutch aren't stubborn at all - You can't tell me otherwise...
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04/25/2014 12:25 PM
Posted By Kameron Kameron on 04/24/2014 06:56 AM
Oey Vey – Here is a can of worms. I do not like riding with a “squished marshmallow” tire look when on the bike. You’ll see that between your legs when riding. I weigh 172 and notice a huge difference in both climbs and acceleration if my tire is under-flated (over-flated according to you buttercups Yes granted the ride is much softer at a lower PSI for those who have sensitive and soft rear ends but like I said you’ll get use to it and soon you’ll become a harda$$.

These are nice but at $80 a pop is kind of expensive. Usually I shop for them online during winter and sometimes get a set for that price.

http://shop.maxxis.com/c/bicycle_road_radiale-22c

And these were the type of tubular I used to ride @ 170 PSI http://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/continental-sprinter-gatorskin-tubular-tire
No can of worms for me at all, I'm long past trying to convince anyone of anything.  I'll ride mine, you ride yours, we'll both be happy. 
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04/25/2014 01:11 PM
dkri that's a good deal and I agree. I mearly responded to what I prefer and people got their knickers in a twist no not bibs but knickers.
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04/25/2014 01:19 PM
dkri and Pin0Q0, likewise, except: I want to know in advance that the guy whose wheel I am on has 170 psi n his rear tire so I put in my earplugs. I've heard them blow (at a safe 50 feet away). It's loud. Like a 22 caliber pistol. (Track tires at the velodrome.)

Ben


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