Fantasizing of new aero road bike... - VeloNation - Cycling Forums, Bicycle Forums, Community Forums

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01/26/2021 01:27 PM
I'm looking at a mid-upper tier level bike - around $6K. I want to enter the new technology arena and the bike should... be aero - aero tubing, hidden cables, electronic shifting, disc brakes, 17.5 pounds or under. I would like new, as I have never purchased a new bike, but traded for artwork or bought used. I love my present bikes, but want the experience of all the advancements while I've hidden from the cycling world. My top choice so far is the Orbea Orca M21eLTD to give you an idea of what I'm looking at. Thanks! Chris

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01/26/2021 03:38 PM
Hmmmm....so many options. The Orbea is pretty damn sweet. Others to consider (general families, not specific models) Specialized Venge (or even Tarmac) Trek madone (but may fall outside your weight target) Giant Propel (great bang-for-buck) Canyon Aeroad (I have the 2018 model and love it) But honestly, it may come down to simply what you can find. There is still a massive bike shortage and dealers' floors are pretty empty still.

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01/26/2021 04:17 PM
Thanks CK - I'm starting the search now, but don't need it right off as I am happy with my bikes, but would really like to experience the technological benefits of new technology in the near future. Oh, another criteria is that it is good for climbing - so again, weight. I always seem to live near mountains and despite my weight, I love climbing ; ) Although I really like many of the Specialized and Trek models, they seem to come with a 25% premium just for their brand names, and typically I can't seem to get all I want in my price point unless I go for used. So far my list is Orbea Orca M31eLTD - I like SRAM, can't help it. Canyon Aeroad - I'm in between sizes so I would really need to find someone with the bike to try the size. And lastly, so far, The Giant TCR Advanced Pro 0 - like that it has a power meter included, but the looks of the bike and possible paint doesn't make me tingle ; )

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01/26/2021 04:25 PM
but the looks of the bike and possible paint doesn't make me tingle Then don't get it....one of the trueisms in bikes is that if it doesn't make you wanna ride it, you won't. You are getting this because you clearly wanna enjoy the bike. Don't settle for something that doesn't "tingle". Another option would be the Scott Foil 10....also has a Force AXS option for ~$6K.

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01/26/2021 04:49 PM
Yeah, I like the foil. When does your crystal ball possibly foresee bike companies refreshing their stock. I know Orbea is out of Spain, but I don't know if they also manufacture there.

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01/26/2021 06:03 PM
I'd go for the Orbea. If after half a year you don't like the look, I'll gladly take it off your hands half price. Seriously, this is how I scored my first road bike, top end bike at the time. I like my current Orbea road bike. I also still have two Treks (commuter and road bike) that just don't seem to want to die, so you definitely get value. I used to have Giants, also good experience. I also have one Specialized (and the family as a whole has a few) which feels like lowest value for money. Indeed inventory is the big question and in current situation it would be hard to play the game I usually play when satisfying new bike itch...wait until year-end clearance when shop is updating their inventory, and get that killer- 40-50% off. That's not going to replay for a while.

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01/26/2021 06:15 PM
OC - I haven't bought a new bike since 1984 - a Fuji Team. All my bikes have been new model trades for artwork or getting killer deals on used two year old bikes that were in great condition - many lawyers, doctors, other high ego types with cash tend to buy and not ride much. I'm wondering if with the covid bike boom if it is here to stay or if we will see a lot of barley used bikes back on the market once we get past the pandemic. I absolutely am in love with the Orbea Orca. The M21eLTD has some really nice color choices. My only negative, and I'm not sure it's that great of one, is that I was looking for a fully integrated/aero cockpit, but aside from thatI am not seeing the negatives. My wife is asking which bike I am going to get rid of... I can't do it, they are my babies. We moved to a smaller house in Ashland and I only have 5 bikes, but they are hanging nicely in various rooms and hallways, as we don't have a garage ; )

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01/26/2021 06:47 PM
You are in Ashland! Have you ridden that descent yet, Dead Indian Memorial Highway? I got to ride it knowing nothing in advance with non one around me at the end of day 4, Cycle Oregon 2012. On Jessica J, in a 42-12 (95" GI). What a blast! It became really clear that the road, terrain, vegetation, turns, etc. were those of Mt. Diable, Contra Costa County, hundreds of miles south in the Bay Area. (I used to ride it from the island of Alameda in the early '80s.) That I knew all these turns I'd never seen before. Couldn't go totally bonkers; I was on a fix gear but Jessica was completely in her element and I couldn't have asked for a better gear. Now going up it 2 days later in a 42-23 was a different story!

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01/26/2021 08:21 PM
Yes, I have been riding DIM. We got here in late October, and it only takes me 20 minutes to ride to the base of the climb. It's wonderful. I haven't made it to the top, the furthest yet is ten miles up as I run into snow and slush and gravel. I look forward to the loop this Spring. Another really nice climb is to the Mt. Ashland Ski Area. I did that around the beginning of November on a beautiful day, and now it is several feet deep in snow. Also, on a gravel bike, or a road bike with some 32's you can ride the Ashland Reservoir Loop. Again dictated by snow. We just ended a little two week dry spell, so I was able to get fairly close to the area where it flattens out for many miles before descending again, but now it's covered again. Ashland is an interesting area for riding, quite nice, even in the Winter.

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01/26/2021 08:22 PM
Now I feel bad. My four bikes and one of my wife have their own room that they only need to share with ski and other outdoor equipment. The four other family bikes are in next area over. We were recipients of a house with large unfinished basement with easy egress so space is no issue. Two summers ago we hosted a girls bike team from Quebec and could sleep everyone plus host their three super fancy bikes. That must have been “peak bike” for the house My wife has two bikes now and wants another two, one upright e-assist city bike (hills like SF here) and an e-gravel bike. Looking for ideas on the second one, something with enough juice to provide support for the daylong rides I tend to go on.

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01/26/2021 08:24 PM
; ) We decided to downsize, and are okay with the "wall-art" as they are all beauties. Just have no idea where I would put another...

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01/26/2021 08:27 PM
I just have a hard time seeing how that would work with my bikes coming home all muddy and not cleaning them until they really need it. Friday ride went through a nice deep water and mud sector. For the Orbea no problem that one only comes out in summer and just sees tarmac. Just like there’s oil stains under cars the basement concrete is stained in bike storage area. This would not go over well w hardwood floors or carpet.

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01/26/2021 08:50 PM
Btw that is a nice area. Passed through there a couple times, last one with a moving van in 2000 headed up to Vancouver from Bay Area. Spent a week hiking and river rafting a bit south in Shasta Trinity area. Shasta was actually on last summer’s visit list for gravel riding but oh well.

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01/26/2021 10:29 PM
When does your crystal ball possibly foresee bike companies refreshing their stock shrug emoji I think it is gonna be pretty thin for the rest of the year....at least if rumors of the new Shimano / SRAM stuff are accurate.

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01/27/2021 05:44 AM
Sounds like maybe even though it's modern technology you're after, you want something with some style too. I don't know what their offerings are like right now, but maybe look into Marinoni? I bought one almost 15 years ago. There's (or, at least, was) an option to choose your own paint, decals, etc. They're based in Quebec. And on storage. When we lived in Fort Collins Colorado almost 30 years ago, we had an extra bedroom in our carpeted apartment. I bought a bunch of clear plastic carpet runner protection from the home improvement store and laid it wall to wall. LOL. Nick

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01/27/2021 09:40 AM
Ok, here is a breakfast thought in context of new technology. How much pedal power would it take to keep the electronic shift batteries charged and not have to deal with remembering to charge them at home, would it noticeably affect performance? Heck could one not even add a charge port for the garmin? Of course we’re only putting out the equivalent of a couple bright light bulbs so this could be a non starter.

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01/27/2021 09:56 AM
OC - No problem cleaning them. We have a nice area outside on the sunny side of the house with a concrete patio that I clean off my bikes after each ride - I am the definition of anal retentive. And my wife has been very understanding - she is just happy that I am bale to ride again - and I have done lots of work on my bikes in the open living area as the floor is very forgiving, and like I sad, I am anal retentive ; ) Rebuilt my hardtail into a gravel bike, replaced chains, degreased cassettes and other parts, etc. Yet you would come into our house and think we just cleaned the place. It's just the way we are. Thanks CK for the guestimate. Maybe I'll find a used 2021 Orbea this fall - fingers crossed. Nick - I'll check out the Marinoni. Thanks.

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01/27/2021 11:56 AM
Posted By Cosmic Kid on 01/26/2021 10:29 PM ....at least if rumors of the new Shimano / SRAM stuff are accurate. Do tell... what rumors? I'm out of the loop on all things new, cool, and upcoming.

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01/27/2021 12:19 PM
Huck, Mt Ashland was our day 5. A supersized Mt. Diablo. Enjoyed it but I didn't ride the gravel up to the top. 24c tires, fixed and my legs said "really?" Refreshments at the ski lift parking lot was plenty. This was the rest day, the easy day. (Friday) Day 3 (Wed) had been up from a Klamath ranch to the Crater Lake rim, around and back down, then west to Prospect. Billed as 88 miles and 8800'. I took a wrong turn and descended down to the "meadow" above the North Gate. Best descent of the week! Climbed back up and continued. So that day was close to 100 miles and 10,000'. (I was on fumes riding around the Lake. Had almost no food as I knew I was good to do the rim and get to lunch. Too wasted to appreciate the most spiritual place in the NW to the natives. It was just "legs, get me to lunch".) Thursday was another 5300' but the great Dead Indian descent. Day 6 was back up that climb. Once I'd flipped the wheel to the 23 and gotten about a mile up, it started sinking in. There was another hour or more to do. A long repetition of pass on the left until "car back!". pull in and ride the painfully slow line (in a 42-23!), wait for the car(s) and the long line of bikes behind, pull out and repeat. Suddenly, the respite! A woman came dancing past me out of the saddle. "Yeah!" Wearing a Candlelighters jersey with the name Sara. A few minutes later, I passed her, calling out "Sara" as I did. She lit up. For the next hour, we traded places; me getting the boost every time she came by, me calling out and seeing the smile when I did. (Half way, she corrected me. "My name's Suzie." She was riding for a Sara, a young woman with cancer.) I eventually pulled away when the riders thinned in the final mile or so. Met her (and her husband) at the rest stop at the top. Like me, she is a born climber and lives for it. Unlike me, she didn't learn this until well into middle age as a tri. Switched to road. Learned later she is famous round Portland for her climbing. Didn't see her again for several years. We tried to ride together, but it takes a very special timing to make it work. She is far stronger than me on the flat and because of her health issues, she had to start fast. I cannot. That day, it just happened we were on my territory, me ahead and warmed up when she passed and it was magic. One of those gifts. (She told me she needed those call-outs to get up the hill as much as I needed to see her dance.) I never did get to see Ashland. I think the Shakespeare festival was happening. I was too beat to leave camp for anything but the next ride. (I was usually in my tent before the music started.) The reality of being 59 years old and fix gears still being 25-33% harder. (And it's kinda funny - I've only ridden Cycle Oregon on gears the very first time and twice when I didn't have sufficient training so except that first time, I've never had evening energy!) Last year we did Crater Lake again, this time from the north. Rest day at Diamond Lake. Got to do the North Gate climb rested and the rim in good shape. I rode it for my Mom who passed 2 weeks before to the day. Lots of stops like she would have done and very spiritual. Perfect, clear day. (And that descent - great on a 42-12 fix gear!) I'd wanted to do that North Entrance since the "oops!" descent 8 years ago. Edit: and to the topic: No, Jessica J is not aero with hidden cables and 16 pounds but she was a brand new pure road bike! Just not a modern concept geared one. It had been 3 weeks from its first ride when I went to the annual Cycle Oregon Kickoff Party and saw the upcoming route. Looked at the course profile. Except Crater Lake, each day was one long!! climb and descent. One cog change and maybe two wheel flips in 70 miles? No problem! I'm taking this brand new fix gear that was conceived to do exactly that! (I'll have to make a lightweight chainwhip.) And Crater Lake? The rim can be ridden on just 23 (now 24) and 12 tooth cogs. There is no flat!

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01/27/2021 01:27 PM
Do tell... what rumors? Dura Ace 12 speed and SRAM will be all eTap down to Rival (no mechanical options for Red, Force or Rival). No word if the Rival wireless will be AXS or 11spd. My gut says 11 spd so they protect the desire to move up to Force or Red, but that is solely supposition on my part. The DA stuff has been long speculated / rumored and I have the SRAM info from a good source. So if both are accurate, suppliers are likely to be pretty lean on some models this year so they aren't unloading "old tech" once the new stuff hits. Combine with alreadu high-demand and it could make finding a new bike this year a bit more challenging. Now, that said, I've been poking around the interwebs on some bikes for huck....depending on the size he is looking for, there are a few options out there. But inventory across the board is definitely low right now. Huck, another option you could consider is a frameset and then building it up with components yourself (or having a shop build it).

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01/27/2021 01:34 PM
Great stories, Ben. That's an accomplishment! Never done Crater Lake - I'm hoping it's in the cards this Summer. Gonna really try to get there. When I lived in Marin, I would ride Mount Tam at least once a week as it was so close and wonderful. Once in a while we would do the quadruple climb and ascend a different route each climb, returning to sea level in between - I think that was a total of 12K feet climbing. Don't know if that would be smart for me these days. My joints have no desire for a fixie ; ) As a matter of fact, I am liking some of the new gearing options with the SRAM Force 12 speed - a 33/46 crank with a 10-28. I could use those ranges. My days of big gears are behind me. Dance me up a hill, please. The Shakespeare festival runs 8 months out of the year, but it doesn't look like it will even start up again this year - typically starts in March, I believe. Possibly a half season, but I am not hearing good possibilities.

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01/27/2021 04:55 PM
I had my LBS build up a 2014 Trek Madone 5.9 with Ultegra 11, Ultegra R8000 50x34 crank, Hed Belgium plus rims, rim brakes. It has internal cable routing, which frankly is a PIA and I really don't find an advantage accept for maybe appearance. Changing cables is something I have my LBS do. It was a NOS frame and it cost me $3100 (including tax). It weighs under 15 pounds. My suggestion is try to find a NOS frame and have it built up. I'd go with rims brakes, Keeps the cost (and weight down). My new Trek has Disc brakes, Ultegra Di2 . But's that's a story for another day (it's an Ebike. I threw in the towel.

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01/27/2021 05:59 PM
Zoot - I'm curious about the cables, and the headaches they can give. I rarely touch my cables but every 5 years, give or take. Is it that big of a deal? What am I missing? I have built up many bikes, and have a nice Lynskey that is fairly light - about 16 pounds for me who is 6-3 and 195 pounds - but thought it would be fun for a totally new experience. It's starting to feel like the new experience may not be worth the $6K expense and the wait to find the bike I want back in stock. But, like I said, I am exploring my options now, and appreciating the comments that point out the negatives, as I have plenty of time to decide what I want to do. Gracias!

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01/27/2021 06:40 PM
Orbea used to have a build your own bike option. Pick a frame, pick a wheelset, pick component level. That's how mine came together, superlight everything (by 13 year ago standards). Not sure if they still have that option. The only thing I ever really updated was handlebar cable routing, in its original inception that was still old school. Is 33/46 crank with a 10-28 best option? My understanding is chain efficiency declines with these really tiny cogs. so somewhat bigger both front and back might run smoother while having effectively same gearing? I like my 50/34 w 11-28 on Orbea. The 28 used to be a 25 until this year but changed for same reasons as Huck.

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01/27/2021 07:59 PM
Since you said you like SRAM, have you considered the BMC Teammachine? The 'three' model has Force eTap. https://www.bmc-switzerland.com/intl_en/teammachine-slr-01-three.html

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01/27/2021 08:21 PM
O.C. I broke the cable for my front derailleur about 2 years after I bought it. I finished out the ride using the small ring. I got home and was going to try and install the cable myself, but digging through my stash of cables I only had Campy in stock (long time Campy guy). I took the bike down to my LBS. It was late in the day and I asked if they could replace the cable while I waited. Wrench said no. It's a pain and they use a magnet to guide the cable and it takes a little time. But he took pity on me and said they would do it first thing in the morning. And they did. One problem is my eyes are shot, hard to see in my garage even with good light. I'm starting to have my LBS do stuff I could easily do myself in the past. If you are on a limb about Di2, do it. Man, it is nice. Perfect shifts and no adjusting. You can recharge the battery by plugging it in to your PC. I'm not completely sold on disc brakes, but I have not ridden in the wet yet. For 6K you should find a nice ride.

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01/28/2021 10:50 AM
huck, what about a BMC Time Machine? A bit higher than you wanted to spend (~$7K), but a number of sizes in stock and looks like it checks all your boxes (integrated cables, electronic shifting, aero, discs, etc). https://www.bmc-switzerland.com/us_en/timemachine-01-road-three.html

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01/28/2021 02:40 PM
CK - Yeah, 6ix mentioned the Team Machine also. I do like the BMC's, but would have to go with used as they seem to be a grand or so higher for the same specs that I am finding on the Orbea. BUT, they do seem to have both of the BMC's in my size in stock... Hmm.

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01/28/2021 03:49 PM
There are a number of things I personally really like with the BMC if comparing to the Orbea. I like both brands a lot, but the BMC includes bottle cages that are semi-integrated into the frame and the thru-axle ends are closed off on the opposite side of the levers. Plus the fully integrated bar and stem. Although I love the color orange, don't think I'd want my bike that color as it seriously limits my clothing options.

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01/28/2021 04:46 PM
6ix - I get it. It's a beauty, except for the Halloween colors ; ) The link that CK posted is the U.S. site and has a different color - Petrol, much more agreeable. With BMC showing the only available bikes, it may be the way I go, but still not in a hurry. AND I couldn't fit how wide of tire you can get on the BMC...

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01/28/2021 05:05 PM
Just a quick clarifier...6ix's link is to the TEAM Machine, which is their all-around road bike. Mine was to the TIME Machine, which is their aero road bike. That said, both have integrated front ends, disc, aero wheels, etc. The aero difference between the two is likely pretty minimal. I'd guess the Team Machine has ~95% of the aero savings as the Time Machine.

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01/28/2021 06:10 PM
; ) Yeah, I had it straight and then done gone confused myself. Any idea how wide of tires I can get in the BMC. I can't find those specs... Thanks!

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01/28/2021 07:07 PM
I don't, but I'll see if I can find something on it from some of the forums....

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01/28/2021 07:07 PM
I realize that this would be an aesthetically polarizing bike, but if I were a couple inches shorter and wanted to toss several of my requirements, I'd be all over this... https://www.theproscloset.com/products/look-795-aerolight-road-bike-2017-large-1 I think it's beautiful. And like most beautiful things, they have their issues ; )

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01/28/2021 07:29 PM
Huck, if you need a 58, the Pro's Closet has a new 2019 frame that is a blem for $3K. You could easily build it out for under $6K https://www.theproscloset.com/products/bmc-timemachine-road-01-mod-58cm-frameset-2022?variant=37564063973568¤cy=USD&gclid=Cj0KCQiA3smABhCjARIsAKtrg6JS8-bDrj4VRRL52MPCxcPGeV7p3xY5F-p45LP_0C6u8H-2Y74uuooaAtv-EALw_wcB

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01/28/2021 10:03 PM
Posted By christopher behrens on 01/28/2021 07:07 PM I realize that this would be an aesthetically polarizing bike, but if I were a couple inches shorter and wanted to toss several of my requirements, I'd be all over this... https://www.theproscloset.com/products/look-795-aerolight-road-bike-2017-large-1 I think it's beautiful. And like most beautiful things, they have their issues ; ) I see the upward oriented stripes - to deflect airflow up and increase tire traction on corners. I like!

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01/29/2021 09:33 AM
https://www.theproscloset.com/products/look-795-aerolight-road-bike-2017-large-1 One has to be of a certain age to appreciate the modern interpretation of the mid-1980's La Vie Claire look, or Look if you prefer. I rather like it as well. Too bad my legs and friends would mock me for posing on that bike.

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01/29/2021 10:15 AM
I rather like it as well. Too bad my legs and friends would mock me for posing on that bike. That's why I prefer not to have friends ; )

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01/29/2021 11:00 AM
LOL! Occasionally I've said, "Even my friends don't like me."

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01/29/2021 11:42 AM
More so than that, I've often said, 'Even I don't like me." ; ) My wife concurs. As far as that Look bike, if I had an extra 4K, I would put that on my wall as pure art - although I would be tempted to give it a ride or two, when no one was looking.

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01/29/2021 01:24 PM
I'd ride the snot out of that Look bike....I think it is awesome!!

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01/30/2021 06:57 PM
I think that I've found stiff competition to the Orbea Orca... Canyon Endurace CF SLX Disc 8.0 eTap It is perfect for the stack and reach of my not incredibly flexible nearly vintage physique, it has all the components that I want - aside from the saddle, its not entirely aero, but a nice trade-off between speed and a little more comfort. And a power meter! Hmm... And available again soon in my size. https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bikes/endurance-bikes/endurace/endurace-cf-slx-disc-8.0-etap/2398.html?dwvar_2398_pv_rahmenfarbe=BK

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01/31/2021 12:09 PM
Looks nice, enjoy. What color did you get?

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01/31/2021 12:52 PM
I haven’t looked at any of the links at risk of temptation. I did draw up another very tempting gravel route for the Gold Bridge trip. Very interesting. Destination is a remote historic cabin associated with Gang Ranch. I was at Gang Ranch last summer in what seems like a complete different area of province. But at its heyday that ranch covered a million square kms. Theoretically one could actually keep riding on gravel all the way to ranch. Now that’s gold. Drool.

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01/31/2021 02:15 PM
As the owner of a Canyon Aeroad, I support the purchase of a Canyon. been super-happy with my purchase.

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01/31/2021 06:26 PM
Been going back and forth between the Ultimate and the Endurace - nearly the same exact specs, except for geometry. The Endurace would allow me to slam the stem and be in my present position and have the option to raise the bars if needed. The Ultimate would have me using all the 27mm of spacers included to get the bar to the height my present bike position puts me in. The Endurace is heavier by three-quarters of a pound, but half that weight is tire choice, saddle, cassette - so not a huge difference in weight, all things equal. My flexibility and desire to get in a good riding position is driving me to the Endurace, but my ego is trying to convince me to go with the Ultimate. I believe my common sense will win out.

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02/01/2021 12:54 PM
Here's the thing...with a slammed stem, the bike won't look like an "endurance" bike, but with 27mm of spacers, the "race" bike will end up looking like an "endurance" bike. Seems like the Endurace can satisfy both your desire and your ego!! It will fit you perfectly but look aggressive.

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02/01/2021 03:44 PM
Thanks CK.

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02/02/2021 01:38 PM
Okay, still fussing... These comparisons are to the Lynskey that I presently ride and am fairly comfortable in, BUT do not spend a lot of time in the drops for flexibility and comfort... The Canyon Endurance in Large is 2.8 cm taller in STACK and 2.0 cm shorter in REACH. I can possibly swap out for 10 mm more on the stem, but am not sure if I will regret the STACK, although I may now feel more comfortable spending much more time in the drops with such a high STACK The Canyon Aeroad in Large is 1.5 cm shorter in STACK and just 0.5 cm short in the REACH. The Aeroad allows for 1.5 cm in spacers which would get me to the position I am presently riding, without feeling comfortable in the drops. I doubt the .5 cm shorter REACH will make enough difference to make up for the lack of STACK. Thoughts? Thanks!

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02/02/2021 03:50 PM
Have you ever done a Stack & Reach measurement for your HB tops and brake hoods? I would start there and see if you can then replicate those measurements on the two frames above. I believe there are some online tools to help you determine what length / angle stem you would need to achieve the same position between two different bikes....

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02/02/2021 03:59 PM
I don't believe that you can change the angle of the stem with the current Canyon cockpits. I think the only option is spacers. I have been using the stack to the top of the bars for comparison, but the reach only to the middle of the bar.

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02/03/2021 09:18 AM
I understand you can get a good used bike in NYC. Just be careful of scratches where the lock was cut off.

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02/03/2021 09:51 AM
But, then I'd be too worried to ride through Manhattan again. And a bit guilty. Depending on the deal.

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02/03/2021 10:24 AM
Sounds like the Aeroad may be a better fit, literally and figuratively. Almost 3cm taller and 2cm shorter in reach is a LOT....especially since Canyon tends to spec pretty short stems on their bikes.

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02/03/2021 02:23 PM
Canyon does a weird thing with their Stack and Reach measurements. The y list the traditional Stack and Reach, then they also have the Stack +, and Reach +, which are the regular stack/reach heights PLUS the measurement to the top of the bar for Stack and the middle of the bar for Reach... The regular Stack height listed is spot on for what I need, but in the + measurement the add a full 10 cm to the total number, meaning that from the top of the headtube headset to the top of the bar is 10 cm. I doubt the stem angle(6)/length(110) is such that it adds all of that 10 cm, so are they including the additional available spacers - 2.7 cm? Can't find the answer on their website, and their CHAT feature is not open presently. CK, do you know if your Canyon was listed like that?

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02/03/2021 02:57 PM
Okay, got it. Talked to a Canyon rep. The Stack + does include all the spacers that you could elect to put in. So without them, the Large is spot on to the Stack I currently ride. Because of the way they measure the Reach I am only short by 1 cm, and that may be better with their bar and SRAM shifter.

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02/03/2021 02:58 PM
Huck-why don't you just call Canyon and ask them?

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02/03/2021 03:19 PM
Didn't I just say that in the response above yours ; )

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02/03/2021 04:06 PM
CK, do you know if your Canyon was listed like that? I don't think so....it just went by standard S & R, IIRC. Sounds like you have it sorted though....

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02/03/2021 06:06 PM
Huck, Perhaps it was because we replied at nearly the same time. I bought a Trek Domane with the "Endurance" geometry and I love it. Bought it off the show room floor with no test ride. Just adjusted the saddle height. Best riding bike I've ever owned.

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02/03/2021 06:15 PM
Zoot - I'm now in the process of wooing my wife. She says that it's not so much the money, but what bike am I going to get rid of to free up space. She has a point, but...

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02/03/2021 07:34 PM
You still deliberating?! Just pull that trigger already.

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02/04/2021 09:56 AM
but what bike am I going to get rid of to free up space. She has a point, but... 48 out of 50 states will recognize this as grounds for an "at fault" divorce and ensure you a generous alimony from your wife. Just sayin'....

Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!

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02/04/2021 10:49 AM
I bought a new bike last year and told my wife I not getting rid of any of my bikes. In the past I gave them away to deserving teenagers. But that did not go well as some of them either had drug problems and sold them for drugs or just sold them for profit. My Colnago Master X-Light is 19 years old. Seldom ride it, but I will never part with it. Of course I only have three bikes. I tend to only ride one bike. Nice to have at least one for a back up.

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02/04/2021 01:51 PM
OC - I stated in my first post that I was just doing research and would not be buying in the too near future... Almost changed that yesterday ; ) But I do quite like my wife. Found a spot for another bike to hang. I'll sneak that fact in for her to contemplate. Also had a friend in the industry tell me he could get me a Look of my choice for about a third off... They don't seem to be too weight conscious though I noted as I went over their different specs.

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02/04/2021 07:56 PM
You’re going to make me scroll back all the way to page 1? These four pages don’t read like just research but someone gunning to pull that trigger save for perhaps the grapes of wrath from the boss at home. Hahaha.

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02/05/2021 10:34 AM
When discussing a new bike I mentioned selling off one of the others and my wife asked, "Why?" OK then!

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02/05/2021 10:47 AM
Dale married well above his pay grade.

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02/05/2021 11:21 AM
Truth!

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02/07/2021 04:08 PM
I told you, it's the researching phase ; ) Top three contenders... Canyon Endurace CF SLX 8.0 Cervelo Caledonia 5 w/Force 3T Exploro Race w/Force

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02/18/2021 09:56 PM
I will add to your choices. Haven’t looked into it at all, the LBS posted this one that’s all. It seemed to match directionally what you’re lusting. https://cube-bikes.ca/road-bike-litening-c68x-sl/