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Last Post 02/26/2018 07:58 PM by Orange Crush. 11 Replies.
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Dale

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02/26/2018 08:22 AM
Do I read this right, a crit on ice skates?

I'm sure nothing bad will come of that.

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2018/02/25/its-a-mess-and-thats-a-good-thing-mass-start-speedskating-event-offers-different-glimpse-into-this-olympic-sport/
Cosmic Kid

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02/26/2018 08:44 AM
I seem to recall someone getting seriously cut a few years ago...can't remember the details, though. I think the suits also have a kevlar-type fabric in strategic areas (femoral artery, etc).

Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Orange Crush

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02/26/2018 09:59 AM
Peloton style marathon skating with distances up to 200kms is huge in NL. Remember a couple Americans joining some of the pro teams. Completely different circuit from the regular long track crowd.
Orange Crush

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02/26/2018 11:24 AM
BTW - this sounds more like a track points race than a crit. Way more exciting than traditional skate races.
Nick A

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02/26/2018 12:01 PM
I stumbled upon this. I thought it was awesome. The commentator even "slipped" (?) and referred to someone being on "someone's wheel". LOL.
79pmooney

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02/26/2018 12:56 PM
There's already an answer. Hockey players play in near complete armor and that armor affects their skating very little, in fact amazing little (unless you are a goalie and now even those "heavy" pads aren't heavy). Now add the fairings in back to compensate for the additional frontal area added by the gear and you have filled in the ice hockey armor's weak spots. (I loved skating in hockey equipment and the freedom to do crazy things that were so dangerous/painful in street clothes.)

Speaking of dangerous. Ice hockey, with it's potential for head on collisions at 30 mph, rock hard very slippery playing surface, a hard disc with almost sharp edges that can fly 5-6' off the ice at 120 mph, skates, sticks, hard boards, heavy steel pipe goals. Massed start racing? Everyone going roughly the same direction and speed, no puck, no sticks, perhaps boards but I suspect the racers will be skating for the most part parallel to them, no goal. Looks pretty safe to me.

Suppose this takes off. Suppose the Catholic church makes serious inroads into the Netherlands (or other water blessed areas like Minnesota/Wisconsin. A solution to keep the masses pious while slaking their need to race. The new biathlon; Mass start racing. Church goers attend the service, then dash from their pews, lace up their skates and race to the finish 15k upstream. Since drafting is a core part of the sport, the fact that the least pious get the (race-wise) front row seats (closest to the door) really isn't the huge advantage it looks like. You could also reserve the right to use velcro strapped skates for the church elders. Perhaps a simple approach would be to race out the back door, so past the alter, led by the priest. I suspect more churches are set up back to the river anyway.

Mass start speed skating. You heard it hear first.

Ben
79pmooney

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02/26/2018 01:10 PM
One another front completely, in fact actually bicycle related. I went to the Velo Cirque in Portland Saturday. Velo Cirque - organized by Bike Forum C&V members and hosted by Velo Cult, a bike shop. It has now happened several times roughly twice a year. The theme is C & V, often with a focus. Older bikes are welcome. They do not have to be in show shape; in fact ridden to is considered a plus. Usually a few start the day with a leisurely not very organized ride.

This thread brought me to thinking about some tires I saw on '80s race bikes. One was the skinniest sewup I have ever seen, completely smooth black rubber. 16c maybe? 175-200 psi? I called it an O-ring. Getting hit by that in a pileup would hurt! Puts a new light on the term "disc wheels" (or is that an old light as in 30 years ago).

Ben
Orange Crush

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02/26/2018 03:56 PM
Posted By Nicholas Arenella on 02/26/2018 12:01 PM
I stumbled upon this. I thought it was awesome. The commentator even "slipped" (?) and referred to someone being on "someone's wheel". LOL.


Was it the mens' race and if so, did you catch the mechanical one of the Dutch racers had? Apparently he lost the springs from one of his skates. Must have been like riding on a flat tire.
79pmooney

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02/26/2018 05:51 PM
OC what are the springs? (I couldn't get onto Dale's link. Doesn't like adblock and I don't like removing it.)

Do these offer shock absorption? (I remember skating rough ice. I also remember sailing rough ice, first on a DN, then watching hot DNs race on really rough ice on Lake Erie followed by sailing on that same ice on a 50 yo stern steering ice boat. So glad I was doing 50 mph on a softly sprung Cadillac, not a stiff sprung MG.)

Ben
Orange Crush

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02/26/2018 06:53 PM
Ben - this is the "klapschaats", only translation I could find is klapskate. Came about in 1996, revolutionized skating efficiency due to pivot between shoe and skate.

Principle explained here:
https://deadspin.com/how-a-century-old-skate-design-completely-changed-moder-1504286074
79pmooney

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02/26/2018 07:24 PM
Thanks OC! That is cool. (But new? Haven't cross-country skiers been doing that forever? Both traditional and skate-skiing?)

Ben
Orange Crush

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02/26/2018 07:58 PM
I wouldn't call 1996 new. 10 years after skate skiing emerged give or take.
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