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How dangerous is OK?
Last Post 10/07/2020 10:12 AM by 79 pmooney. 7 Replies.
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longslowdistance

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10/05/2020 07:35 PM
Just my opinion but GVA’s crash was beyond avoidable, it was borderline criminal. Thomas taken out during the few minutes during chill time when it is entirely reasonable to let one’s guard down. Dygart was not reasonably nor adequately protected. Etc etc. Figure eight demolition derbies have some appeal but this fan votes NO!!
Dale

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10/05/2020 08:48 PM
The complete disregard of rider safety is inexcusable. They need a patron to enforce a no-race or a tranquilo pace until the end of a few stages to get the organizers attention.
Orange Crush

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10/05/2020 09:11 PM
Agreed although I would pick different examples, Poland, Dauphine descent and Dygert

but curious where the responsibility for Thomas crash lies? An errand bottle caused by a poor bottle cage or a poorly placed bottle seems the cause. The bump in road was pretty innocent.

Cosmic Kid

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10/06/2020 06:34 AM
Instead of worrying about sock height and the placement of rainbow bands, the UCI could easily implement standards for cages.

I have been using Specialized Rib Cages for decades and never once lost a bottle, including on gravel and MTB. X-Lab Gorilla cages are similarly excellent. Thee are certain design features which make bottle retention relatively easy...mandate them for all designs and the problem largely goes away (dropped bottles being a notable exception)
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Orange Crush

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10/06/2020 09:57 AM
Yes a bottle cage standard would make a lot of sense and is easy to enforce.

Maybe also a ban on TT bikes. The peculiarities of TR bike were at least a contributing factor for Dygert, Lopez at Giro and Froome. On that note rumour mill has it that 2021 tour will have a lot of TTing.
79pmooney

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10/06/2020 12:18 PM
Agree CK. Just posted on the Giro thread that I think CPA should step up an demand that UCI address cages. (Of course, CPA and the balls to step up, am I dreaming?)

I've been using steel cages for half a century. They work. Everybody I've talked to has told me the King ti cages are as good. This isn't rocket science. I think UCI should write the standards AND allow race officials to yank bottles at random before starts. Too easy? "Grab another bike."

Orange Crush

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10/06/2020 12:21 PM
The CPA is the biggest stumbling block in anything getting done at this point. It has been purposely set up to be ineffectual. Replacing CPA is a necessary first step to improving rider safety and UCI accountability:

https://www.velonews.com/culture/the-outer-line-cpa-rift-forces-the-ucis-hand/

ps. just reading how IOC factors in this shell game.

pps. Plastic bottle cages work just fine. It's about shape more than anything else.
79pmooney

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10/07/2020 10:12 AM
Interesting. Pieter Weening who crashed on the WB yesterday was pulled today mid-stage for dizziness. Pointed out that WBs used to have (in his words or the translation) "pressure caps" that popped open then the bottle was ridden over but that doesn't happen now with the screw caps.

I never thought about that before nor heard it but it does make sense.

So back to the old TA cages AND WBs! (TA probably still has the tooliing. With a French UCI leader, some quick money into the country? (And of course the old bottles were a lot smaller. Easier to miss, less to hit. The bottle Weening hit was dropped so that one wasn't a cage failure.)

There might also be room for coaching/discipline. Good WB habits. (And throwing banana peels clear of the road! My personal pet peeve.)
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