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bobswire

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07/10/2013 08:19 PM
Posted By Ride On on 07/10/2013 08:08 PM
If the wind hadn't come up Froome would have beaten the TT world champ in a flat TT today.
  That sounds familiar.........                

2009 TdF, stage 19: Contador beat Cancellara by less than three seconds.

Photo: Agence France Presse

Yellow jersey Alberto Contador flew around the 40.5km Annecy time trial course to win the stage and cement his lead in the Tour de France. Contador beat time trial specialist Fabian Cancellara by two seconds, and put 50 seconds or more on the other GC competitors, including teammates Andreas Klöden and Lance Armstrong.

Contador was fastest through all but one of the intermediate time checks, making his biggest gains on the course’s one climb, and holding his advantage to the end.

“I had a great day,” Contador said. “I was thinking about the GC more than winning the stage.”

Andy Schleck (Saxo Bank) rode what for him was a phenomenal time trial, finishing in 21st and holding onto his second overall placing.



JS

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07/10/2013 08:26 PM
Posted By Ride On on 07/10/2013 08:08 PM
If the wind hadn't come up Froome would have beaten the TT world champ in a flat TT today.

Yeah, think about that for a minute. World TT champ who weighs 10-12 kilos more than Froome almost getting beat in a flat TT. It would be awesome if Martin posted his power numbers for the stage. It'd be easy to extrapolate Froomes doped up watts per kg as I doubt their cg is much different, Martins might be a little lower even.
BikeCzar

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07/10/2013 09:46 PM
10-12 kilos? ummm... Froome is not that little. More like 3 or 4 kilos I'd say. And he's the 2012 bronze medal in the Olympics and has always been a competent rider against the clock. Plus Tony Martin is skinned and battered. I wasn't shocked.
Ride On

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07/11/2013 06:13 AM
Gazzetta calculated that Martin produced 480 watts during his TT, pushing a huge gear of 58x11. Froome weighs nine kilogrammes less than Martin but Gazzetta calculates he produced an average of 470 watts during his ride. Valverde and Contador were much slower and produced lower power outputs, reportedly around 385 watts.
jrt1045

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07/11/2013 08:22 AM
in the summer of 2011, Froome started "training" in Tenerife

Before the Vuelta that year he'd podiumed in parking lot crits and B level worlds events, then he discovered some "marginal gains". ummm, yeah...right

the big question is: does Fromme get busted at the Tour or after the Tour? I had the same feeling the year Chicken was wiping the field all over the place
Keith Richards

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07/11/2013 08:53 AM
People forget that Martin almost pulled out of the race he was so injured. I was actually surprised he won. Like Czar said, not that shocking a result for Froome.

And let's not act like Froome just fell from the Sky (see what I did there?) he finished 11th in the white jersey comp in his first TdF as age 21/22 or something. he always had potential. You look at Lance's run, Wiggins last year, Froome the past two seasons and what jumps out at me is no problem in training and lead up to Le Tour. No wrecks, no sickness, no injuries...the one year I had a problem free season, I was a cat 4 and had no problem keeping up with anybody in the DC/metro area. I was not out of the top 10 in any event all season. It makes a huge difference when you can stay on track with your training plan with no issues.
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
JS

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07/11/2013 09:49 AM
KR, Insert the name Armstrong where you have Froome and it 2006 all over again. Froome is a doper. Fool me once shame on you, fool my twice shame on me.
Keith Richards

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07/11/2013 10:14 AM
Until he gets caught (and I have not seen a shred of evidence), you got nothing bro. Have a drink!
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
laurentja

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07/11/2013 11:47 AM
From Cyclingnews today:

More pseudo science

Team Sky manager David Brailsford has dismissed the debate about power data, performance and suspicion of doping as pseudo science. However Chris Froome's superb performance in the Mont-Saint-Michel time trial has sparked a new tide of analysis, debate and conjecture.

Gazzetta dello Sport journalist Claudio Ghisalberti has calculated that Froome produced 18% more power than main overall rivals Alberto Contador and Alejandro Valverde.

Gazzetta calculated that Martin produced 480 watts during his TT, pushing a huge gear of 58x11. Froome weighs nine kilogrammes less than Martin but Gazzetta calculates he produced an average of 470 watts during his ride. Valverde and Contador were much slower and produced lower power outputs, reportedly around 385 watts.
CERV

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07/11/2013 12:05 PM
While I agree with you there is no evidence, it's the same argument used by lance armstrong supporters for years. There's lot's of cases of dopers in the past who were winning races and had no evidence against them, until they got caught.
I think pro cycling, and by extension the people who get paid to be pro cyclists today, deserve to be asked these questions. if they are going to claim they are clean, at this point the onus on the sport to convince fans they are clean, not the other way around.
Froome has been producing power numbers and performances only matched in the past by people who were shown to be dopers. Of course fans are going to be suspicious.
I actually think Sky could be doing a whole lot more to prove to cycling fans he is clean than just the whole "i'm sorry you don't believe in miracles (read: marginal gains, improved training techniques, blood bourne parasite)". If they are the clean saviours of cycling as they like to claim, the actually SHOULD be doing a whole lot more in the interest of rebuilding the credibility of the sport. Release blood profiles to the public. Allow access to journalists. Release power numbers after the races.

Funny thing is, I've gotten over even really having a problem with doping at all in the pros. i just wish we weren't watching one guy ride away from the rest of the field from riders who could have matched him while on the sauce. At least then it would be an entertaining race. I far prefer the 'nudge, wink' style of denying doping practiced by the spanish and italians to the righteous indignation style of armstrong, wiggins, froome, etc.
Keith Richards

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07/11/2013 12:07 PM
Lance had that failed cortisone test back in 1999. There was ALWAYS speculation about him because there were reasons OTHER than his results to be suspicious. That is what I am saying.
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
BikeCzar

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07/11/2013 12:19 PM
Can't prove a negative.

And why does everyone keep saying Froome is 20+ pounds lighter than T. Martin? I show Martin at 75kg and Froome at 71-72 kg. They are both 6'1".

Some responsibility for moving the sport forward lies with the fans. We have to quit accusing every guy who wins of doping. These guys are human and deserve the benefit of the doubt. Ever here a casual sports fan's view of cycling? It's shockingly similar to much of the above. It's kind of like mass shootings. The more you focus and give attention to the perpetrators the more the behavior becomes engrained in the psyche of the culture. Let's give attention to the good things that make up the world's most beautiful sport.
Ride On

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07/11/2013 12:34 PM
If you are taking something not on "the list" yet, are you doping?
CERV

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07/11/2013 12:41 PM
Fair enough, but it's also been less than a year since all the revelations about usps officially came out. For many 'casual fans', this is when they would have first heard about it. Not a lot of time.

jrt1045

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07/11/2013 12:48 PM
Czar, Cerv hit the nail on the head. The credibility issue with the sport of cycling does not lie with the fans silently accepting whatever is served up by the PR folks of the different teams so the sport can get out from under a cloud of suspicion. That ship sailed long ago with the arrival of Chiapucci (my favorite doper btw), Indurain, Barnie Riis, Dirty Tony Rominger, Berzin, Zulle, Bugno, Urgomov, the one who shall remain nameless, Floyd, Tyler, Levi and many more. Fans were feed crazy stories of crazy fixes for crazy problems and it was all complete BS. Rampant doping was the magic

The questions and the suspicion is a problem lies solely with the teams and the sport to figure out and to do so they have to come clean. Fans have every right to ask questions, if you want to criticize the fans - they should be criticized for stupid enough to believe the fantasies cooked up since the arrival of EPO.

Just my humble opinion
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