JS
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| 07/06/2014 09:45 PM |
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Good lord, I have actually taken to fast forwarding the DVR so I don't have to listen to him.
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Ride On
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| 07/06/2014 10:00 PM |
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| Get the NBCsports app, You can play the whole stage thru with zero commercials and you can start it anytime you want at any point you want yo start. $15.00 not a bad deal. With the Apple TV I can see it on the big screen. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 07/06/2014 11:02 PM |
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| He actually has some great points, but FFS...SLOW DOWN and finish a freakin' sentence. |
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cycling chick
Posts:72
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| 07/06/2014 11:26 PM |
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He is definitely struggling, but he has grown by leaps and bounds since the AMGEN Tour of California.
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jrt1045
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| 07/07/2014 08:47 AM |
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| He's completely undeserving of the opportunity, he should be busing tables at Hincapie's place |
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Keith Richards
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| 07/07/2014 08:50 AM |
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| ^^^^^^^this. |
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It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong. |
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Inferno7
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| 07/07/2014 09:53 AM |
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He has a bright personality, and an obvious vault of knowledge. To say cyclist's don't deserve a place in cycling broadcasts leaves us with Al Trautwig (sp) types for announcers. Every ex-cyclist who has been a part of a broadcast for the last 20 years has been a doper.
It can't be easy to jump into the commentary box from the peloton, he's good with me. |
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jrt1045
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| 07/07/2014 10:09 AM |
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Inferno, Lemond is available - so is Andy Hampsten
just wish they would move past the whole crew of -7 enablers, CVV being one. If he's going to announce they might as well bring back the Chris Carmichael segments, only have them live from -7's estate or the Hincapie hotel |
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thinline
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| 07/07/2014 11:30 AM |
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Setting aside the historical context debate, as I watch him, I think his head is actually still in the race when he is describing it. It's like he is verbally reacting to what is happening when the pack is sprinting or wheeling through tight corners. It's like he is commenting while on the bike in the middle of the pack. It does result in a bit of verbal chaos. Maybe he improves, maybe not. But, he is on NBC because he is a recent US racer of some note. All about getting eyes on the screen. If he turn out to be unpopular, he'll be gone.
And now, to go out on a limb . . . now that he has stopped saying "Tour day Fraaance" just to tick off the French, I find Bob somewhat entertaining. He's knowledgeable about tactics and how a stage will unfold and just a little bit irreverent, which I like. Can't take things too seriously in my book.
I am putting on my fireproof suit . . . |
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Inferno7
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| 07/07/2014 11:32 AM |
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| Not so sure about either of those two and doping, I doubt they were 100% clean. But I hear ya if it reminds you of the S show that was the Lance show, by all means. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 07/07/2014 11:38 AM |
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Hampsten is widely recognized as having never doped.....and I think his performances pretty well back that up. His race results started dropping pretty dramatically in the early 90's. Even in '92, when he came 4th in the TdF, was the result of his day long break to L'Alpe, His day-to-day performances were pretty erratic.
I'm still waiting for someone to provide some evidence that Lemond doped. Not even proof, just some evidence. |
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thinline
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| 07/07/2014 11:42 AM |
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I have no idea if Lemond doped, but I do find it odd that he was pretty much an Armstrong fan for the first two wins, then kind of okay on win three, but started being critical and questioning in the run up to win 4. I'm not the fan/historian of the sport like many here by any means, very casual observer. But, that's the way it struck me at the time.
Am I wrong? |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 07/07/2014 11:47 AM |
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He became critical of -7 only after it was revealed that he had worked with Ferrari. That was the red flag for him. Rumors / innuendo prior to this, but that was a step too far.
Seems pretty natural, IMO. |
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Dale
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| 07/07/2014 12:20 PM |
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| ^ That was when I went to thinking -7 was a cheat, not just an arrogant a-hole. I also remember on the old VN forum getting my hide tanned for so stating. |
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thinline
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| 07/07/2014 12:53 PM |
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Ah, if the Ferrari thing times up in the whole sequence then that makes sense. I still wonder though, if the doping issue was so rampant and cavalier, i.e TH's book, wouldn't someone like Lemond have at least been questioning since day one?
Again . . . casual observer who just like pedaling my bike. Better insights appreciated. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 07/07/2014 12:58 PM |
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Well, you have to remember that Lemond had been out of the game since '94.....and although EPO was pretty rampant by that point, it seems he may have been fairly isolated from it. Legeay has never been known as a DS with doping policies (exact opposite according to some) and GL was never known for being exceptionally close with his teammates, IIRC.
And I think when Lemond was finally out of the sport, he looked at the most likely reasons first....after-effects of his gunshot wounds, etc. At the time., I don't think anyone (outside of the sport) really realized how widespread it was......to be honest, I am still completely shocked by it (and my own naivete). |
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jrt1045
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| 07/08/2014 10:44 AM |
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LeMond was clean, to suggest otherwise brings back the dark days of -7 paying interns to troll and stir up doubt
At the time, there was no platform and the UCI certainly didn't want any part of that particular conversation -you would be painted as having a tin foil hat. Read Inga Thomson's recent interview, she explains it pretty well. It took Floyd of all people to finally bust down the wall. |
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79pmooney
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| 07/08/2014 10:44 AM |
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CK, another point regarding Lemond and his decline in the peloton - that was before the ubiquitous power meter. So side-by-side comparisons were most of what Lemond had to work with. Are others going faster or am I slowing down? Has power meters been universal, Lemond wold have known very quickly the people were now riding at impossible levels.
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Cosmic Kid
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| 07/08/2014 10:57 AM |
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ben, IIRC, GL was one of the earliest adopters of power meters, working with SRM. Don't remember exactly when it was, but want to say 92 or so. I seem to remember him talking about hitting good power numbers in his training, but chalked up his decline to recovery (or lack thereof).
Which would make sense since one fo the greatest benefits of EPO is being able to recover faster and better endure the stresses of training blocks / stage races.
But to your point, their use was not ubiquitous and he was only comparing his numbers against himself. |
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