longslowdistance
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| 04/06/2018 10:20 PM |
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Time to place your bets!
I have no idea beyond someone from QS, who are getting it done lately. |
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Orange Crush
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| 04/06/2018 10:45 PM |
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Dylan Groenewegen...you heard it here first.
A family that includes 3 generations of frame builders.
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/05/dylan-groenewegen-charging-chaos-holding-tightly-past/ |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 04/07/2018 12:32 PM |
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| With predicted conditions / wind direction, OC’s pick is a good one...or look for one of the second / third tier guys to slip away as QS marks GvA and Sagan. A guy like Nansen or Van Keirsbulck could sneak an advantage as the favorites mark each other. |
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longslowdistance
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| 04/07/2018 05:23 PM |
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Interesting piece on Sagan in cyclingnews on the eve of PR:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/peter-sagan-saving-his-answers-for-paris-roubaix/
Seems to me that Sagan excels when *very* high power is needed for a few seconds to a few minutes,.e.g. his three rainbow jerseys, not 20-50km of grinding it out like the last two Flanders winners (Yes there are exceptions). He has the bike skills to excel at PR, but perhaps this is more a race for the grinders. |
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longslowdistance
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| 04/08/2018 09:05 AM |
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| Semispoiler: my theory is getting tested! |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 04/08/2018 09:50 AM |
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Things looking positive for him...gap continues to go up, but he has been out there for a long time. Can he keep the power up for the remaining cobbles? he has been doing most of the work since he reached the breakaway.
he made a good move...GvA makes two moves, legs get a bit tired and he counters. Actually smart tactics (for a change). |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 04/08/2018 09:50 AM |
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| Side note - just landed in China this evening....desperately trying to stay awake to see the end of the race! |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 04/08/2018 10:04 AM |
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| Gap coming down! Gonna be tight... |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 04/08/2018 10:07 AM |
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Crap....lost feed. When I got it back, it had gone form 10k to 6.5K to go....gap going back out.
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Cosmic Kid
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| 04/08/2018 10:16 AM |
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| Can't do anything except tip your hat to Sagan today....he rode a great race. |
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longslowdistance
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| 04/08/2018 10:20 AM |
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| Entertaining race today. |
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Orange Crush
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| 04/08/2018 10:25 AM |
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Posted By Frederick Jones on 04/07/2018 05:23 PM
Interesting piece on Sagan in cyclingnews on the eve of PR:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/peter-sagan-saving-his-answers-for-paris-roubaix/
Seems to me that Sagan excels when *very* high power is needed for a few seconds to a few minutes,.e.g. his three rainbow jerseys, not 20-50km of grinding it out like the last two Flanders winners (Yes there are exceptions). He has the bike skills to excel at PR, but perhaps this is more a race for the grinders.
Hahaha..the anti prediction.
Great end world champ versus established pistier Sprint. Hats off to Dillier. |
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longslowdistance
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| 04/08/2018 10:33 AM |
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| Definitely eating my words. It helped that they let him ride off the front (WTF was up with that - Did they think he couldn't last that long?) Agree about Dillier, what a ride. |
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Orange Crush
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| 04/08/2018 10:37 AM |
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| Sagan lucked out today. They gave him 40 seconds when he went. Tailwind and he needed the support he got from front group to stay ahead. But you make your luck so great race. |
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jookey
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| 04/08/2018 01:14 PM |
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Not “luck”. Smart tactical race. Good time to go. He had possible help up the road. Many favorites just used some matches and could not follow.
On another note, Phinney looked really good. Wonder if he can win this thing someday? He has the tools. |
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longslowdistance
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| 04/08/2018 06:46 PM |
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I'm amused reading the armchair DS comments on other websites admonishing Dillier for not wheel sucking more before the finale. "A smarter rider" would have done this or that.
Sagan would have dropped such a "smarter" rider and that smarter rider might have been sprinting for 7th or less, not the win.
The more extreme smart-asses say the discussions between Sagan and Dillier were an offer of money, but I'll speculate it was above the table: "Work with me and you'll get a clean shot at the win. Don't work with me and I'll drop you." |
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Orange Crush
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| 04/08/2018 07:27 PM |
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| Dillier being an established pistier I knew he had his heart set on the sprint against Sagan. He was so toast and trying to stay close to Sagan he almost rode into him couple times. |
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longslowdistance
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| 04/08/2018 08:15 PM |
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This race will be remembered, mostly in a very good way.
However,
So sorry to read about the young rider who basically dropped dead while riding. Weird and extremely unusual at best, suspicious at worse. Even the best option that it was just extraordinarily bad luck still sucks. |
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79pmooney
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| 04/09/2018 12:30 PM |
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lsd, that was a great race that really emphasized the huge difference between bicycle racing and all other types of racing - you (usually) cannot win without the assistance of your competitors. Bicycle racing is a chess match,not just of the physicals (bikes, bodies and the road) and intangibles (heart, will to win) but also on the road deals and trust. (Good riders know to behave to build that trust with competitors.)
I predict yesterday will pave the way for another Sagan win in the future. Here, both riders were good to their word. (Yes, we only know from those two after the race what was actually said, but the whole world saw them talking, than watched them living up to their sides of this apparent deal.
Yes, Sagan did not make it easy for Dillier over the Carrefour. But Sagan never did the obvious move of coming through fast after Dillier took a pull or going when Dillier looked weak.
That cooperation is one of my favorite aspects of racing. 41 years ago (ouch!) I passed David Lamb on the first of the final series of hills of the Stowe Race. I knew him from racing the spring series in NH that March. I gave him "the look", but not the hostile LA "look" but the look of "I'm going. Coming along?" He did. 4 others joined us and that was the race.
Sagan rode a really smart race. Yes he was lucky. No flats, never behind a crash. (Yes he rode close enough to the front to minimize that likelihood, but it is still always there.) But his timing on his move - again classic bike racing. His interactions and cooperation with the break, again, smart - doing enough work to pick up that pace and change any thoughts of "d***, the world champ, we're doomed" to "if I can hang on, this could be my greatest ride ever".
The fallen rider? I was spared at roughly his age. I will always remember my mom's haggard face when I came home from the hospital 3 weeks later.
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Orange Crush
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| 10/04/2018 03:24 PM |
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Anyone remember Sagan looking like he was fixing his stem with an allan key on the fly? He was but there was a little bit more going on before that...
https://road.cc/content/news/249530-peter-sagan-branded-idiot-after-confessing-he-used-rivals-bike-try-straighten
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Cosmic Kid
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| 10/04/2018 03:30 PM |
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I don't believe that story for a second....again, with the amount of turns he took with the allen key, his stem would have been so loose he would not have been able to steer.
More BS trying to build the Sagan lore, IMO... |
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Orange Crush
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| 10/04/2018 04:01 PM |
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| That was my thought at the time (Sagan showboating for the cameras) but given that everything up to that point is backed up by an incredulous Wallay, who the hell knows. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 10/04/2018 04:25 PM |
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Oh, I don't doubt that Sagan kept tapping his rear wheel at some point...Wallay clearly confirms that. Why he did it, who knows.....But the idea that he was doing it to straighten his stem?
Nope...calling bullschitt on that.
Same thinking applies...if his stem was that loose that it took that many turns with the allen, then when he whacked Wallay's rear wheel, the stem would have moved easily.
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Cosmic Kid
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| 10/04/2018 04:31 PM |
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Here is your proof that it is bullschitt....
“There’s no friendly shrug this time, just a stream of under-his-breath invective and total confusion,” wrote Sagan. “Poor guy; 200 kilometres at the front of the world’s biggest one-day bike race and now some idiot is pranking him. This is a man at the end of his tether.
“Worse than that, it didn’t work. Shall I get off? Twist it straight? Ask the other two if they happen to be carrying Allen keys and try not to get a Lottoi-mitted punch in the face?”
So if, by his own admission, it didn't work, then how did his bars get straight by the time he used the allen wrench? Having his team car hand him the tool was not going to magically straighten the bars....and in the video, it clearly shows the bars are straight, not "30* off".
Never ceases to amaze me how gullible the cycling press is to the stars of the sport.... |
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Orange Crush
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| 10/04/2018 06:55 PM |
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Agreed that you're never going to straighten handlebars by banging against someone's wheel. Not enough force. Numbskullery.
Agreed handlebars are straight when video starts.
That said leanard Zinn doesn't question some sort of tooling related to loose stem or shock system.
So my 2c. Sagan notices stem may be loose and panicks. Remember Terpstra. He checks if stem is loose by banging Wallays wheel repeatedly. Confirms and fixes the problem. Then a bit of exaggeration in book . |
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79pmooney
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| 10/05/2018 12:01 AM |
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I've looked down at my bars and got the "oh schitt!" Early spring training ride. On my fix gear west of Boston. I'd ridden over a bottomless pothole, trapped by a following car a few miles back. Bike made it OK and I thought no more about it. Was riding around our TT course about 20 miles from home when I looked down. Just a routine glance. Whoa!! My right handlebar made a sharp 30 degree bend down at the sleeve. (GB bar given to me several years before and quite used.)
Unlike Sagan I wasn't racing and after some quick thinking realized I had an easy way to get home! Nursed the bike 4 quiet miles to my training partner's house. I knew she never locked the kitchen door and there was a train schedule on the other side. Yup, a train in 45 minutes. Station a mile away. Destination stop, another mile from home.
The conductor wouldn't let me on because the bike runs were only at rush hour; until I pointed to the handlebars and said Porter Square was a mile from home. "I guess we can put it in baggage."
My first 10-speed, the UO-8. That bike never left me stranded in 22,000 miles. Crashed it many times, a couple hard. So an ambulance got called for me, but I never had to make the call. And mechanicals never left me stranded. (Some creative repairs though!) |
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longslowdistance
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| 10/06/2018 09:38 PM |
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OK, so I've read the various posts and reviewed the videos I could find. I can't find an image with Sagan's stem out of line. I may be wrong, someone please correct me.
Ben, you had UO-8, and admit that?!? |
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