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08/12/2020 10:11 AM
Foooook. https://www.velonews.com/news/road/uci-road-worlds-in-switzerland-canceled-due-to-covid-19/

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08/12/2020 12:33 PM
They are looking for alternative venues on similar terrain possibly leveraging already scheduled events.The Swiss can be pretty unmoving on set rules.

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08/12/2020 01:15 PM
Maybe they can do it online. /joke

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08/12/2020 01:53 PM
I don't see any way they can move it somewhere else, even if they reduce the number of events. IN the best of times, it would be a logistical nightmare and the timing is incredibly short. To do it in the times of COVID19....damn near impossible.

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08/12/2020 02:16 PM
What if you just considered one of the 'fall' classics to also be Worlds? Maybe that would make things a mess with trade teams versus countries. Just have Tour of Lombardy be Worlds for the year.

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08/12/2020 02:18 PM
Lombardy is a bit quick. It is Saturday. Is that the only event that got moved earlier in time?

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08/12/2020 02:22 PM
OK, Lombardy is a bad example. Wasn't aware it had been moved so far forward. Well, whatever the last big race of the season ends up being could be Worlds. I don't know...makes sense to me.

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08/12/2020 02:39 PM
Towards the end we will have Flanders and Roubaix. It sounds like UCI is fairly set on Sep 20-26 window (which got vacated by Quebec races not happening) and also on having a course that is similar to Switzerland (since that is what racers have banked on), then doing a light version of just men and women pros. Closest I could see is maybe Fleche Wallonne which is Sep 30, or Liege on Oct 4. Ardennes would not be a bad place to hold this.

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08/12/2020 07:38 PM
Would love it if the Worlds came back to Richmond, 2015 redux! Sorry just sharing a pipe dream. In this hopefully brief pandemic, the race needs to be in the boondocks, not in a city. OC may have nailed it.

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09/02/2020 09:47 AM
Wow....they managed to find another post to host Worlds! https://www.velonews.com/news/road/uci-confirms-imola-italy-as-new-venue-for-2020-road-cycling-world-championships/

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09/24/2020 09:38 AM
Crap...Chloe Dygert punctured or lost control on a right hander and flipped over a guardrail in the womens TT and had to abandon. Anna van der Breggen takes the gold.

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09/24/2020 10:48 AM
Dang it!! And she was already 30 seconds up after the first intermediate check too. Looks like she punctured while going through that turn. You can see a 'hop' and then the front wheel wobbling violently (I'm familiar with this!) before striking the barrier and going over. If anything, she probably benefited by hitting the barrier and flipping over it rather than it stopping her. Wish her the best in recovery. She'll win it back next year.

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09/24/2020 10:51 AM
Sounds Chole's injuries are pretty gruesome...to the point that no one wants to post them. Big gash / wound / tear in her leg, it sounds like.

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09/24/2020 11:13 AM
Cycling is a cruel sport. Yes that very much looked like a sudden wobble due to puncture or blown tire. Just looked at replay. Those barriers they put in turn. Well intended but they start too early where no one would involuntarily exit turn and they also end too early. Better positioning of barriers further along turn could have prevented the consequences.

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09/24/2020 11:25 AM
BTW - the men's TT field is absolutely stacked.

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09/24/2020 11:44 AM
CPA really should speak up loudly. Not getting the padding in the the proper at the worlds? Really? All that was needed was one alert person to mark where the padding needed to be. I hope Dygart is going to be OK. This feels way too much like the US Nationals 40 years ago.

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09/24/2020 12:05 PM
It seems to be they misjudged the riders' line into turn and really underestimated speeds. Its almost like they have someone riding the course at much lower speed and deciding placement of barriers from that. At any rate, when racers lose control for whatever reason they always try to hold it together which invariably steers them towards the end of turn. Those barriers should only have ended where road straightens.

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09/24/2020 12:35 PM
Sliding on top of that guardrail... that's got to be a gruesome wound. Plus the uprights that protrude up over the top. Unbelievable that they won't make the courses more safer than that. Inexcusable.

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09/24/2020 12:49 PM
I take back my earlier assessment of her potential injuries. It does appear that she slides a bit on top of that thin edge of the guardrail. Sending all the positive energy in the universe to her as she recovers. Perhaps she can use Van Aert as inspiration for returning to the absolute top following a devastating injury like he had in the Tour last year.

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09/24/2020 03:53 PM
I saw a pic of her injury....horrific. Tokyo has to now be in doubt for her....if not worse. Massive gash / wound just above her knee cap and DEEP.

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09/24/2020 04:13 PM
No broken bones but a cut that is long and involves ligament(s) according to family.

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09/24/2020 04:18 PM
The lack of proper safety measures surrounding the metal guardrail in that corner notwithstanding, what caused the wobble? It wasn't due to her braking as she was in her aero bars. Did a spoke break? If she'd rolled a tubular, that probably wouldn't cause the wheel to go out of true like that. Seems like a wheel failure.

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09/24/2020 04:34 PM
I've seen speculation that her steerer broke. (I haven't seen the footage.)

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09/24/2020 04:37 PM
I don't think we will really know until Chloe tells us what happened (or her coach). It was certainly interesting when Evenepoel recounted his crash. Don't think it made it to English language media.

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09/24/2020 05:10 PM
what caused the wobble? Some speculation that she was running tubeless and the tire either burped or flatted. I don't think it could have been the steerer tube because with the wobbling going on, I think the wheel would have turned and she would have high-sided. Dunno for sure though....

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09/24/2020 05:26 PM
Thanks for that idea. I just installed new UST tires on my Mavic hoops this morning with new Orange sealant. Sure hope I did it right!! Nope, not worried one bit. Not at all. Even if her tire burped (why???), what could cause the wheel to go catastrophically wobbling? Footage is nasty. Haven't seen pics of the wounds but suffice to say, bad. Agree with CK that there is no way that was a steerer failure.

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09/24/2020 08:47 PM
Just read this on Pez "A Case Against TT Bikes" Looks like it came out before Chloe's wreck today, timely https://pezcyclingnews.com/features/a-case-against-tt-bikes/

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09/24/2020 08:58 PM
I don’t think the tire burped....she didn’t seem to hit anything. It almost looked like a speed wobble. But you can see where she slid along the back side of the guardrail right above her knee...hence the deep laceration. Horrible.

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09/24/2020 10:16 PM
https://pezcyclingnews.com/features/a-case-against-tt-bikes/ What a load of crap...seriously. That thing was written for the clicks. It is utter nonsense.

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09/25/2020 10:51 AM
What's crap, the fact that a TT bike is less stable than a convention road bike? A former pro said one of his scariest times on a bike was at Tour of the Gila on a TT bike, deep section wheels and gusty winds. Yes, the wheels and wind contribute but the positioning vs a conventional road bike make the experience radically different. I get that it's fun to go fast and you can go much faster on a TT bike (thanks btw for the tips in setting up my road bike for a time trial series) but the lower stability is indisputable. Now whether the time gaps would be the same on a road bike as a TT bike... no question they'd be different. Since a TT bike is a completely different setup than a road bike why not jump the shark a little more and in a grand tour have a stage riding recumbents? ....just yanking 'yer chain, there's no way you could convince a pro to grow a beard and ride with sandals & socks

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09/25/2020 11:34 AM
No, what's crap is the idea that a TT bike is somehow "dangerous". One of the scariest moments I ever had on a bike was descending down "The Wall" on Morgul Bismark on a regular road bike w/ Spinergy wheels. As I emerged past two hills on either side, I got hit with a strong crosswind and damn near went down. Ergo, road bikes are dangerous...... OR You need to choose the right equipment for the right conditions. When I did the 2016 IM 70.3 race in Kenosha, they had to cancel the swim and shorten the bike due to a t-storm that blew in. Once we finally got out on the bike, the wind was whipping big time as a crosswind for the majority of the course. Possibly the worst wind conditions I have ever ridden in. I rode a Zipp 808 and the scariest part of the race was the other idiots, not the crosswinds (and I set the fastest bike split for my Age Group )

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09/25/2020 12:44 PM
I just read the comments on CyclingNews. https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chloe-dygert-undergoes-surgery-to-repair-laceration-in-left-leg-after-worlds-crash/ One poster is adamant that she had her left hand on the brake; that you can see it on a 1/4 speed replay. (I won't go to YouTube so I'll never know.) Aside: this is where I love V-brake levers and good non-V-brake calipers. Much, much less likely to have anything exciting happen when adrenaline is pumping. It sounds like she left it too late even so.

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09/25/2020 01:41 PM
The more I watch it, the more I kinda doubt she had a flat....or if she did, she was on tubulars. When the wobble hits, if she had been on clinchers, she would have washed out right there, IMO...she was leaning over and wobbling violently. I don't see how anyone could have kept a bike with a flat clincher up at that point. it may have been nothing more than her overreacting to the turn, grabbing a fistful of brake and that causing a speed wobble.

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09/25/2020 01:55 PM
We are definitely being armchair quarterbacks here but I really don't know why the poster on CyclingNews is confident that she was braking. It's impossible to tell from that angle as her left arm is completely blocked from view. With that said, I suppose she could have grabbed a fist-full of front brake, thus causing the wobble like CK suggested. So I'm going to go with that. Even though it was over 17 years ago, I recall all of us on the VN forums discussing how Beloki crashed too. That was a LOT more apparent though. Still leaves me sketched out seeing that crash.

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09/25/2020 07:04 PM
Like I said it’s all guess work until Chloe pipes in. In case of Evenepoel since no one asked... He had practiced turn at racing speed and with ideal line. Despite that his DS told him to hang at back of group. The two guys immediately ahead of him took turn significantly poorer and slower. He rapidly approached them and had to apply corrective braking. Braking caused skidding and he flipped over bridge. In retrospect he should have been right behind Nibali and he would be lining up for Giro right now. He might also have podiumed today.

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09/25/2020 07:38 PM
I saw her Instagram and about barfed... gah, that's a nasty gash. Hope she recovers completely- mentally as well as physically.

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09/25/2020 08:25 PM
I hope this isn't a career stop. The parallels with some other promising talents are there, e.g. Roger Rivere and Tyler Phinney. She is a once in generation talent for US cycling, male or female. I had the pleasure of watching her at the Richmond junior worlds 5 years ago. She dominated. She flew up the same short sharp cobbled climb near the finish that Sagan used to create a gap for his win. I happened to be right there when Chloe turned it up to eleven. Wow! Who is this kid?! I wondered. And of course she won the TT. Still fuming at the organizers of this event. Tour of Poland, TDF stage one crashorama, etc etc. The carnage this season is too high.

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09/25/2020 08:59 PM
I would say your most recent proxy is van Aert who got hooked by railing causing similar substantial injury. Look how he came back. Organizers can’t really be blamed for stage 1 TDF but in van Aerts case last year yes. Dumoulin had good reflections on stage 1 and indicated that kind of stuff comes down to rider responsibility. I’d agree. He did berate Dauphine organizers for the nutter potholes and gravelled downhill starting the one stage were SK and others crashed.

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09/26/2020 09:52 AM
Holy cow the worlds course is awesome. Holy cow the women’s race is boring. Another orange lock down.

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09/26/2020 06:08 PM
Picks for Sunday? WVA or some other rider may prove me wrong, but I’m guessing the winner will not have ridden the Tour. Course is too tough to hide the fatigue.

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09/26/2020 06:28 PM
Lots of climbing. Fatigue will certainly factor. With that sharp hill at 10 to go and then flat run to finish the winner will be someone who also does well at Liege. Good climber with a fast finish. I’d pick Valverde but he seems to lack spark I think age is finally catching up with him.

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09/26/2020 07:31 PM
I’d pick Valverde but he seems to lack spark I think age is finally catching up with him Father Time is undefeated....no matter how good your medicine cabinet is.

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09/27/2020 09:28 AM
LSD - five of six guys first over final climb came out of Tour.

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09/27/2020 09:40 AM
Semi spoiler: Yes, I was totally wrong!! Great race, and a worthy new champion. The winning country executed their plan to perfection. Strange suicide break before that

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09/27/2020 09:40 AM
Chapeau, Allaphillipe!! What a great race.

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09/27/2020 09:42 AM
Wout leads out the sprint for 2nd from the front and takes it going away... that’s some kind of power! Super happy for Alaphillipe, he deserved that win. Gutsy attack and descend.

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09/27/2020 10:03 AM
Yeah! The sport again has a visible leader. No offense for Mads Pedersen but he was very quiet during his reign. (Granted, it was no normal year but perhaps because of that the sport could have benefited frm a strong WC more.) Wear those stripes with pride! They are well earned.

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09/27/2020 10:19 AM
Yeah, Alaphippe had to go on the climb because if a group of guys came to the line, Wout was gonna wipe the road with everyone.

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09/27/2020 10:42 AM
When JA jumped WVAs head dropped. A rare moment. Well timed well deserved.

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09/27/2020 10:09 PM
Just tryin to keep a good thread alive. Who could argue we have a Worthy winner, enabled by a truly effective team strategy. IMO France chose the right time to expend their energy, and IMO a solid Win for world cycling. Naysayers, what am I missing here? yes maybe that exemplary Pole deserved a place on that austere podium, but he has and will always have his rainbow stripes, so there is that. The guy who beat him by a few cm may never get those armband stripes. PS good insight Mr Orange.

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09/28/2020 12:07 PM
I think France rode a great race and used thier energy wisely. Let Switzerland and Denmark control the race early, then threw down hard when it really mattered to soften everyone up. Realistically, Allaphilippe had one place to get awat clean from WvA and he hit it perfectly. Had a sick dog early Sunday AM so was downstairs @ 4:00am....200K left to go when I turned the race on. Longest I have ever watched a single race, I think...LOL. It was a great course and kept things interesting.

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09/29/2020 12:07 PM
Zinn attempts to ascertain why Chloe went into a wobble.... https://www.velonews.com/gear/tech-wearables/technical-faq-chloe-dygerts-disastrous-front-end-wobble/

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09/29/2020 03:14 PM
I remember reading a few years ago the mantra of weighting the inside hand when cornering. Here, Dygert does just the opposite; inside arm on the areobars and perhaps a somewhat sudden weighting of the outside bar and perhaps that accentuated by a little (accidental?) front brake. I have to agree with Zinn's conclusion. She had 30 seconds in the bank. Off the aeros and onto the bars well before the turn. Be completely planted before it even starts. Too bad. Hope she recovers fully and can take this as a (very expensive) lesson.

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09/29/2020 07:04 PM
That Zinn article was a lot of words to say user error.

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09/29/2020 07:17 PM
That Zinn article was a lot of words to say user error. Well yeah....it is Zinn.

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