2020 Giro Thread
Last Post 10/27/2020 09:08 PM by Frederick Jones. 110 Replies.
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Cosmic Kid

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09/28/2020 12:10 PM
OK...Giro up next. Looks to be a battle between Geraint Thomas and Simon Yates, with Nibali trying to play spoiler.

Discuss.
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6ix

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09/28/2020 01:29 PM
I think the Spaceballs helmet and Covid face-shield will slow down Yates.
Orange Crush

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09/28/2020 01:42 PM
Just like Valverde was too old to factor in Worlds I think Nibali is also past his prime to have a shot at Giro podium. He's not yet in form but he may come around by week 3 to act as a spoiler when it gets really hard but there is also too much time trialing.

Thomas is looking good.
Yates, dunno, the TTing is also not to his advantage. Plus I view the Yates bros kinda like the Schlecks; they always muck up somewhere.
I think Kruijswijk will podium although he will start on back foot.
And going out on a limb, Vlasov may do it for Astana instead of Fugslang.

Thomas, Kruijswijk, Vlasov.
Cosmic Kid

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09/28/2020 03:15 PM
I think the Spaceballs helmet


I really like the design concept of the Scott helmets....ventilation up front, but smooth design when you drop your head and are going hard. Conceptually, it makes a lot of sense.

BUT THEY ARE JUST SO FOOKING BIG!!!! Make them 10-20% smaller and you'd have a killer lid.
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Dale

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09/28/2020 03:31 PM
That stage 1 downhill TT... 'da heck is that all about?
eurochien

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09/28/2020 03:39 PM
They're going to need some waterproof gear racing in Italy in the fall. I feel bad for those guys.
Orange Crush

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09/28/2020 04:38 PM
Yeah weather could be interesting. There's already been first snow at elevation.
Cosmic Kid

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09/28/2020 05:00 PM
There was snow Sunday at the original course for the Worlds in Switzerland....had they held the race there, pretty likely that cold weather protocol would have been implemented.

And it looked kinda chilly at Imola Sunday. Spectators were wearing jackets and long pants.
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Orange Crush

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09/28/2020 05:40 PM
Posted By Dale Dale on 09/28/2020 03:31 PM
That stage 1 downhill TT... 'da heck is that all about?


I had seen downhill course but didn't look at distance and didn't realize it was an ITT. Should be fun unless it rains. There was some interesting commentator discussion during worlds iTT around fact that it is relatively straightforward to train for flat and uphill parts, but maintaining your power numbers with downhill or tailwind is challenging when there's perhaps an urge to just coast. The challenge is on to beat Verbruggen's 58,874 km/h iTT from 2001.
Cosmic Kid

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10/01/2020 12:46 PM
OH. MY. GOD.

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eurochien

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10/01/2020 01:07 PM
Is that the jersey that EF will wear at the Giro CK? Very fugly. And "Cannondale" would be upside down.
Cosmic Kid

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10/01/2020 01:20 PM
Is that the jersey that EF will wear at the Giro CK?


Yup!!!

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eurochien

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10/01/2020 01:52 PM
I miss the subdued fashion of the 70's jerseys.
Orange Crush

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10/01/2020 02:48 PM
"Welcome to the future bike nerds." - Vaughters

The corporate drivel that accompanies the jersey release is way worse than jersey itself BTW.
Cosmic Kid

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10/01/2020 03:07 PM
OMG...the TT helmets.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/rapha/2410459481840733694/
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Orange Crush

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10/01/2020 03:35 PM
Hahaha someone from bike club mentioned TT helmets. I just had to look. This is awesome.
Cosmic Kid

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10/01/2020 04:07 PM
The back....LOL!

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Orange Crush

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10/01/2020 04:49 PM
This was a logical step. You can only market morbidly overpriced solid colour jerseys and black bibs for so long while being cross-associated with Walmart.
Dale

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10/01/2020 05:11 PM
That is awful beyond description.

Cosmic Kid

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10/01/2020 05:31 PM
The TT lid mentioned earlier....

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Orange Crush

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10/01/2020 05:41 PM
For your next tri-a-tri CK. Perfect! Don't forget to put the training wheels on TT bike LOL.
Orange Crush

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10/01/2020 07:15 PM
Just reading about Einer Augusto Rubio. Maybe Ben will have anew favourite rider. He is leading Movistar.
eurochien

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10/02/2020 09:04 AM
This kit is borderline humiliating. I'd hate to be on that team.
Orange Crush

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10/02/2020 11:18 AM
Marketing wise this had been absolutely brilliant. This jersey has travelled the world faster than news about 45s positive and everyone now know who Rapha and Palace are.

This is not about marketing to the retro grouches. That segment has been milked to death with milk toast jerseys. It’s about the younger crowd and perhaps the alternative crowd in gravel scene where some eclectic tastes reside. Just from a quick poll in club the reactions vary from moaning of the older members to enthusiastic responses from younger segments who had already been seen riding around in cat jerseys.
longslowdistance

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10/02/2020 11:59 AM
Good points. A bit like the Zed jerseys in the LeMond era. But that duck TT helmet - is that for real?
Cosmic Kid

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10/02/2020 12:04 PM
But that duck TT helmet - is that for real?


Yup....and I kinda dig it (although I absolutely hate that particular helmet design / shape).

The more I look at the jersey / kit, the more I actually like it. Will be instantly visible in the peloton and really, it is all about exposure.
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79pmooney

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10/02/2020 01:35 PM
Actually that jersey is a reflection that what is going on inside a rider's head is all important. The prime objective of a pro team and hence its employees is to showcase the sponsor's product. Best way to do that is the be one of the featured riders in the peloton. Best way to be one of those featured riders? Easy. Wear one of the unique jerseys, GC, mountain, points, young rider.

Now back to thin incentive part - make and force your riders to wear a jersey so hideous that they will go above and beyond to get out of it!
Orange Crush

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10/03/2020 09:05 PM
Sounds like every rider got a 500 fine from UCI for an outfit unbecoming.
79pmooney

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10/03/2020 10:08 PM
Posted By Orange Crush on 10/03/2020 09:05 PM
Sounds like every rider got a 500 fine from UCI for an outfit unbecoming.

This needs to be covered by the team.  If it isn't, CPA should step up fast.  No way should a rider be forced to wear those jerseys AND have to pay the fine!  (But again, more incentive to ride fast and well enough to trade jerseys for one of the good ones at stage end.     I can envision several riders vying for GC, points, anything!)
79pmooney

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10/05/2020 10:43 AM
Living proof that those hideous EF jerseys work. Jonathan Caicedo. Not only got early word and won his country's championships (and bagged a seriously cool jersey), he now gets a couple more of those treasured Italian ones.
Orange Crush

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10/05/2020 01:20 PM
That crash over water bottle was some cruel bad luck for Thomas. From race favorite to a possible early exit in fraction of a second.

I has expected Yates to fall out of contention somewhere but not this dramatically early.

Throw out the playbook. This is the Giro.
Cosmic Kid

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10/06/2020 06:30 AM
Thomas out with a fractured pelvis.
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Orange Crush

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10/06/2020 12:00 PM
Posted By 79 pmooney on 10/03/2020 10:08 PM
Posted By Orange Crush on 10/03/2020 09:05 PM
Sounds like every rider got a 500 fine from UCI for an outfit unbecoming.

This needs to be covered by the team.  If it isn't, CPA should step up fast.  No way should a rider be forced to wear those jerseys AND have to pay the fine!  (But again, more incentive to ride fast and well enough to trade jerseys for one of the good ones at stage end.     I can envision several riders vying for GC, points, anything!)


This was actually a one-time fine because the Palace logo was added compared to what was submitted for approval to UCI. To which Vaughters replied that they wanted to keep addition of Palace as sponsor a secret; the UCI cannot be trusted with secrets. Hahaha,
79pmooney

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10/06/2020 12:00 PM
Once again CPA has the opportunity to step up and make a real difference in rider safety. Demand that UCI put in place WB cage standards. There is zero excuse for WBs falling out of cages on short stretches of pave. The technology to make a cage that works was dialed in 50 years ago. CPA should demand that UCI write the standards, give teams and manufacturers till (say) Jan 2022 to comply, then allow the race officials to yank bottles at random before starts. Too easy? "Grab another bike."

One of these dumb little things that, if implemented, helps cyclists around the world. And perhaps a chance for bike designers to earn their keep finding another 20 grams to shed elsewhere.

Press helicopter flying too low and knocking out the two Vini Zabu? Some one should be answering for that!
Orange Crush

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10/06/2020 12:07 PM
CPA won't demand anything because CPA is a weak entity put in place by UCI with limited rider representation.

There is actually a rider movement going on to replace CPA with an actual rider's union in which there is "one rider one vote" representation. Both UCI and CPA are pushing back hard against this. Which is very telling. This is when Laparient used his infamous "fake news" comment: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-backs-cpa-riders-association-as-threat-of-breakaway-emerges-in-mens-worldtour-peloton/

On the bottle cage design, there won't even be a weight penalty for a properly functioning cage. The ones on my gravel bike are plastic and super light weight. But they lock in bottles really well, I won't ever lose one with those cages.
79pmooney

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10/11/2020 11:18 AM
The EF jersey incentive again. On a miserable day, Ruben Guerreiro rides into the break, wins and takes the mountain jersey.
Orange Crush

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10/11/2020 11:25 AM
Actually really liking that jersey when you see it in action.

The action itself is disappointing so far. Not expecting much till next Sunday.
Dale

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10/11/2020 12:48 PM
Regarding the rogue bottles- have you seen the weak bottle throws lately? Pathetic wimpy efforts that don’t even clear the side of the road. I’ve seen a few that just looked like a bored teenager dropping a cigarette butt.

This is how you throw a bottle... this amount of force, just not at the moto

https://youtu.be/YcTh351AwAA
Orange Crush

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10/11/2020 01:16 PM
Dale - I don’t know answer but is this possibly mandated? Ie don’t throw bottles were they cannot be found.
79pmooney

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10/11/2020 04:04 PM
Dale, that was a throw from a famous sprinter; one of those guys with the overall strength to jump in a huge gear from a world class train. A feather weight climber with collarbone breaks? Not happening. I had my best results (with the old yellow power bar wrappers (banana peels) doing an underhanded toss. Collarbone breaks - I'm talking from experience. My overhand toss looks like a girl's. I cannot turn my head to the right enough to watch the guy behind.
Cosmic Kid

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10/13/2020 07:24 AM
Fooooooook.....Jumbo-Visma and Michelton-Scott both out of the Giro w/ Covid. A few other rides also out (Lawson Craddock, Michael Matthews)

Looking pretty grim for this race to get to the finish.....
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6ix

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10/13/2020 08:12 AM
Woke up to check on the cycling news fully expecting to see the race cancelled. Actually surprised they haven't yet but I'd be shocked if they make it to Milan. Expect to see many of the remaining classics cancelled too.

It's just too soon.
Orange Crush

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10/13/2020 09:23 AM
Not surprising. Teams have been indicating that protocols at Giro have been much more loose than at Tour. In particular in Sicily hotels things were bad.

The Giro effed but I don’t see any implications for other races yet.
longslowdistance

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10/13/2020 09:25 AM
Had the same thoughts. Not to mention maskless fans shouting at riders just a couple of feet away. How will Spain handle this pesky virus?
Orange Crush

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10/13/2020 09:39 AM
Jumbo did right thing by pulling entire team after one positive.
Mitchelton didn’t have much choice.
One should question Sunweb. At a minimum they should have additionally pulled Matthews’s roommate. These guys now present a risk factor to Giro.
Also wondering where the other two support staff positives are.

Hopefully the Vuelta can learn from this and adopt Tour protocols. Particularly on hotel situation to provide proper bubbles not have several teams race organizer staff and police support all in one hotel. This is asking for trouble.
79pmooney

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10/13/2020 11:28 AM
The CyclingNews live report said at 95 km to go "Ramon Sinkeldam (Groupama-FDJ) has abandoned the race, apparently suffering from an unspecified illness."

Another team?

Edit:  Van Emden of J-V has a damning appraisal of UCI's willingness to allow RCS house as many as 5 teams with race officials and the escorting police and moto drivers in the same hotel.  This after he has heard of Matthews but not yet the second J-V positive and tbe team withdrawal.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-emden-the-uci-should-get-the-bill-for-giro-ditalia-covid-19-positives/
Orange Crush

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10/13/2020 12:04 PM
Not sure how much the UCI is to blame in this. They have always said that all races are subject to local and national health policies. That is for example why Amstel and Roubaix got canned.

Remember when ASO said they were not going to do the two strikes and you're out policy. Within several hours the French authorities came down hard on ASO and said yes you will or there is no race. French health authorities had a very heavy hand in how the race was run.

That government hand setting strict rules is what's been missing in Giro. Which is perhaps surprising because Italy as a country got their act together remarkably well over summer after initially being hit hard by Covid. They had been seen as an example. Until now.
Cosmic Kid

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10/13/2020 03:27 PM
The UCI could absolutely have reviewed / approved the housing / bubble plans for the Giro and told RCS "nope...that isn't gonna cut it."
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79pmooney

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10/13/2020 03:56 PM
Yeah, not doing the right thing because the authority didn't say you had to ... "I'm going to walk off this cliff because I don't see a sign saying not to." It's not like the outcome was hard to guess.
longslowdistance

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10/13/2020 05:47 PM
Fantastic stage today.
Orange Crush

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10/13/2020 05:49 PM
I'll disagree on this.

The UCI has zero expertise on matters COVID and they need to defer to the experts, which is what they are doing.

Sure they could have taken a look at the limited aspect of the hotel plan but this is also the point where you start muddying the waters as to who is responsible for what. That is never a good track to be on. The bubble plan would have already been well outside their expertise.
Orange Crush

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10/13/2020 05:50 PM
LSD - yes. Just when I put Giro on snooze till next Sunday Sagan forces me to search for a recap.
Cosmic Kid

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10/14/2020 08:56 AM
It is not that the UCI has expertise on COVID matters, but they know what worked in the TdF. The idea that you could have multiple teams staying in the same hotel with regular guests was never gonna work and the UCI should have stopped the plan before it was implemented.
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Cosmic Kid

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10/14/2020 08:57 AM
But yes, yesterday was an excellent day of racing....the race to create the break ws excellent and then the last 30-40k was outstanding. A true "rip snorter".
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Orange Crush

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10/14/2020 10:32 AM
The good news for Sunweb is that upon re-test Matthews is now negative. He's out of race but at least team is not a risk factor at moment.
Cosmic Kid

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10/14/2020 02:26 PM
I hadn't seen that...definitely good news.
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longslowdistance

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10/14/2020 02:43 PM
But a raw deal for Matthews.
Orange Crush

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10/14/2020 02:48 PM
Yes, obviously he would have preferred to keep racing. But better safe than sorry.

Or as the Jumbo-Visma GM Plugge put it, I sure hope we left the Giro for the wrong reasons.
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10/15/2020 11:01 AM
A formal request has been submitted by EF team for Giro to end early, presumably Sunday. This after lengthy early morning discussions at start among riders from all the teams. (edit) - the request was denied\.

Apparently there were 17 police escorts that tested positive although they may be associated with the parallel e-bike Giro. I didn't even know there was a parallel e-bike Giro. But this really has put fear into riders. The police dudes were apparently worst for following covid rules, go figure.

Supposedly the Giro and UCI are wanting the Italian health authorities to pipe in and make the call but I doubt this Giro will last another week. The Italians have messed up royally running this show.
79pmooney

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10/15/2020 11:16 AM
OC, my joke for the day - they should have quarantined that peloton moto driver yesterdays as a preventive measure. Viviani would have been grateful.
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10/16/2020 11:58 AM
On a lighter note - at least one thing is right in this crazy world. It's Classics time and D-QS is ruling like it should. (Now, the 3-week Tours are happening in the middle of the Classics - what? So they are stuck with a D-QS team that hasn't burned out yet, hasn't gone into mid-summer semi-rest mode to focus on the Worlds.)

Quick Step has been getting two, sometimes more, riders into the top 10 in almost every race and jersey contest out there. We are half way through the Giro and has anybody else worn the magliia rosa? (Probably hammered that spelling ) Almeida is riding very well. His team support - world class.

They are also staying out of controversy and (seemingly anyway) staying healthy. Seems that Belgian window outfit picked a winner to sink its capital into. I still doubt money sunk into bike squads leads to that amount of $$s more window sales but if you have a little money to burn, love pro cycling and are Belgian to the core, I"m betting no regrets! (They even ride outfits that are not hard to spot and look quite nice.)

Ben
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10/16/2020 12:17 PM
Almeida has certainly made his stint in pink a memorable one. Let's see how long he lasts. I think he will ultimately get ground down in high mountains but he's given DQS a good run.

Other than that DQS have hardly ruled the classics. van Aert won MSR and Strada. Fuglslang won Lombardia, Roglic won LBL, Hirschi won Fleche, Ewan in Schelde, Pedersen won Gent (and he has really shown this year that his worlds win was not a fluke). DQS have the one win from JA. The schmorgasboard of different winners is actually quite nice and a long list of candidates for Ronde.
Orange Crush

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10/16/2020 12:19 PM
So Matthews has now twice tested negative but the experts are still not willing to call the one positive result a false positive. Such are the challenges we're dealing with with this virus. Tested three times but still not quite sure.

It sounds like they did some comprehensive testing yesterday but no further positives so perhaps they can keep things in check despite the early challenges. Fingers crossed.
Cosmic Kid

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10/16/2020 10:46 PM
Almeida May end up taking this all the way through 1) revised mountain stages due to snow in the mountains, or 2) a premature COVID ending to the race, or both.
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Cosmic Kid

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10/17/2020 08:33 AM
Ganna is a beast.

That is all.
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10/17/2020 07:30 PM
We already knew that Almeida could TT. Tomorrow we will learn how durable he is in mountains. If memory serves he did shed time in previous hilltop finish and it is going to get much harder.

Let the Giro begin, finally. Too bad all my podium picks are already gone. I do have feeling that Giro will finish, my impression is that main Covid challenge (for race at least) is in rear view mirror.
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10/18/2020 09:14 AM
Almeida sure knows how to make faces when in pain. Haha.
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10/18/2020 09:31 AM
Good day for Kelderman. Hindley actually looks like better climber. Another youngster to keep an eye on.
Cosmic Kid

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10/18/2020 08:45 PM
Almeida did the jersey proud today.

Great stage...nice to get away from the now-standard “wait until the last 500m to grab a few seconds”.
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10/21/2020 05:27 PM
Today was not a particularly interesting finish climb.

Kelderman has two more hard stages to make it stick. But the longer the race wears on the more I am rooting for Almeida. The kid may have a bit of a future (although certainly he is not at level of Evenepoel, Pogacar or Roglic) while a Kelderman would just be one of those one-offs (like Porte finally making TDF podium). Its huge for the guys but otherwise forgetful.
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10/21/2020 06:01 PM
Agreed....unfortunately the Giro has been a bit of a snoozefest, as a whole. A couple of decent stages, but overall a lot of "meh"...
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10/21/2020 06:19 PM
But fortunately after the boring Giro stage, over to the Vuelta, which again was interesting today.
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10/21/2020 06:32 PM
Agreed on it being a meh route this year. But the Giro was also certainly victim to losing a lot of contenders that would have made it more interesting early on, Thomas, Yates, Vlasov (he already looked better today in Vuelta than yesterday so may start factoring), Kruijswijk (he actually developed mild Covid symptoms so the decision to pull was wise; talked about how it was eerie to completely lose taste). This was my entire podium plus Yates.

Nibali has admitted to being surpassed by the youngsters. Now he is reduced to stoking the Sunweb fire. "If Hindley goes then Kelderman blows". Haha.

Fuglslang is just not interesting as a GC rider; he should stick to classics and week long races.
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10/22/2020 09:32 AM
Kelderman gets to wear pink but looked more shattered than happy. Nibalis words were pretty accurate.

Hart could still win Giro as he TTs way better than Hindley.

Perhaps Sunweb should have Hindley attack on Saturday to get a buffer.

Good racing today. Almeida is finally done.
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10/22/2020 10:40 AM
Still, a good show by Almeida. Did the jersey right and didn't disgrace with his fall from the podium. I had hopes he would hang on, but also knew without incredible luck or really good PEDs, not going to happen. I hope to see a lot more of him. (The needed luck being that all who by rights should put minutes on him had really bad days. A lot to ask.)

Fun having another good young rider. I like that he is a quiet one. Over in the Vuelta is another, the American Sepp Kuss. To balance out the van de Poels, van Aerts, Evenepoels.
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10/22/2020 03:35 PM
Sunweb played the tactics perfectly today…Kelderman had minutes in hand, so they could afford to have Hindley stay with TGH. Since he was not contributing to the pace, he got a free ride and managed to take the stage win.

If he had dropped back to pace Kelderman he too would have lost time, which almost certainly would have guaranteed an Ineos win.

Did anyone else notice Kelderman’s chain and how short it was? Go look at him around 14.5km to go…he is cross-chaining big-big and his RD is damn near horizontal. Horrendous setup and definitely not efficient.
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10/23/2020 04:23 AM
Some interesting off the bike fireworks today. Power to the people!
79pmooney

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10/23/2020 09:32 AM
Fireworks? I heard was so wet they couldn't light the fuse and had to use water cannons.

Racing the Stelvio, then transferring through rush hour traffic to ride one of the longest stages the next day? Suppressed immune systems and a pandemic? Never mind the rain, this isn't thinking much about the riders, team employees without whom none of this happens.

Race director says he never was told of the rider demands the night before and that after the Giro is over, somebody is going to pay. If he was never told, that sounds like an inside issue. (Giro employees afraid of his anger?) That someone is going tot pay? Race planners and everybody above them that approved the route? Doesn't the buck stop at his desk?
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10/23/2020 09:50 AM
Ben - by someone is going to pay he meant Lotto Soudal. Vegni is under mistaken impression that Adam Hansen spoke on behalf of team. He spoke on behalf of riders union while in team kit. Maybe Vegni will redirect his anger to riders union. Yes poor planning. He should really be looking in mirror.
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10/23/2020 10:02 AM
OC, Vegni may be pissed at whoever started the protest but I am saying he needs to look at what the Giro was asking of the riders with the course layout. Two days of mountain finishes, the Stelvio, late in week three, and a long transfer delaying hotel arrival and dinner on top of the pandemic - that the riders wouldn't be happy could have been predicted months ago.
Cosmic Kid

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10/24/2020 09:15 AM
Damn....Giro ties going into the final stage. Hindley gets the jersey on count back.

He did everything he could to get rid of TGH. Gonna be a nail biter tomorrow!
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10/24/2020 10:04 AM
Hart should have this in the bag.
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10/24/2020 05:27 PM
Just watched the replay. Bad Boy Dennis smashed the race wide open. Good move by Ineos to pick him up.
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10/24/2020 08:12 PM
Just watched the main bits yet again. It was basically motor pacing vs mortal humans.
This year's winner will have to endure an asterisk, but RD should get a star.
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10/25/2020 10:25 AM
Hart should have this in the bag.


Yup...was over before it even began. Hindley was never in it...losing chicks of time from the start.
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10/25/2020 10:49 AM
Well, rats. Worthy winner though. (I'm still high on Tampa Bay's unlikely win last night. I was never a Tampa Bay fan, but always anti-LA anything. And rooting for the third lowest payroll in the MLB jut feels right.)

Now, Almeida - what a week! Yes he failed on the big stage. But like Alaphillippe in the Tour last year, we all knew that going all the way was as as likely as flying a paper airplane to the moon. I hope, like Alaphillippe, we get to watch him in the future do some big things. (I have a soft spot for Portuguese riders.)

Ganna and Dennis, a couple of TTers who can turn a road race around! Going uphill too.
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10/25/2020 10:52 AM
Posted By Cosmic Kid on 10/25/2020 10:25 AM
Hart should have this in the bag.


Yup...was over before it even began. Hindley was never in it...losing chicks of time from the start.

"losing chicks of time"  Yup.  By posting a lower time, Hart collects all the chicks. 
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10/25/2020 10:59 AM
I HATE AUTOCORRECT!!!

DAMN YOU, STEVE JOBS!!
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10/25/2020 11:15 PM
TT was a bit of a yawner since outcome was already written.

Still a good result for Sunweb. Not much they could have done different. Well played by Hart and Rohen.

Nibali was never a factor. In years past even if he wasn’t in it for GC he could still be trusted to throw in a stage hand grenade. Passing of the torch.
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10/26/2020 12:09 AM
So Roglic had issues with his rain jacket. Thursday several riders (from Sunweb? JV? I'm losing track) had zipper issues with several tossing their jackets and riding down Stelvio without.

Wow! Clothing failures adding up to big money! Good zippers aren't rocket science. Any grand tour jersey or jacket should have a good one, if for no other reason than to have it zip up properly for the finish photo. But a zipper that keeps a rider off the podium? What does that cost? (Especially if word gets out.)
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10/26/2020 08:13 AM
Still amazes me that these guys are using jackets with zippers....30 years ago I was using a Pearl Izumi windbreaker with Velcro....greatest closure system on a jacket I have ever had. Easily and quickly closed.

Sure, a zipper will be more watertight, but no jacket keeps you completely dry anyway. Velcro closures let you get a quick close and you can then adjust as needed. Can also be done with long-fingered gloves since the dexterity required is minimal.
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10/26/2020 09:41 AM
A big factor probably is that this time around they are trying to don jackets over a lot of base layers instead of skinny arms. Certainly this may have factored for Roglic.

Valverde apparently has rain jackets in three different sizes for this very reason.
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10/26/2020 12:18 PM
Posted By Orange Crush on 10/26/2020 09:41 AM
A big factor probably is that this time around they are trying to don jackets over a lot of base layers instead of skinny arms. Certainly this may have factored for Roglic.

Valverde apparently has rain jackets in three different sizes for this very reason.

CK, the big non-waterproof outdoor zippers are pretty darn easy to start and reliable.  And I agree wholeheartedly on staying away form waterproof zippers.  I love 'em - for dry suits.  But cycling jerseys and jackets where so much moisture is created inside the jacket?

My favorite jerseys are my spring/fall bright orange Mavic jerseys (with a whole bunch of good silver reflecting fabric).  Very comfortable, nice fit, really well made except they skimped on zippers.  (On sale for months at a local shop, knocked down from $100 to $30.)  I bought 4.  Went to an outdoor fabric supply and picked up 4 bright orange zippers, big plastic YKK.  Had the local dry cleaner send them out to get the zippers put on.  $30 each.  (There aren't quite perfect zip up from scratch on the bike zippers but only because the seamstress gave them the treatment appropriate for dress clothes, not cycling jerseys.  Once started, they zip up and down like a charm.  With the added tabs of some outdoor bags, they'd start just as easily.)

Now the really funny thing about all this is that Roglic (and the others at the Giro) would have fared far better with the ancient technology of newspaper.  Of course, like zippers, there are good and poor newspapers.  Strong when wet?  Ink that doesn't run?  But the research is cheap and enough for a team and 3 week tour costs what? A third of one jacket?
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10/26/2020 02:13 PM
Newspapers... Ben, you are dating yourself!

I tell some of the guys I ride with about that and they look at me like I'm making up ridiculous fairy tales

One of my buddies got gapped on a fast 100 miler last week when he had to sit up and futz around reaching into his pockets to get some food. With diminished flexibility I dislike the pocket placement on the new styles, they seem to be located higher due to the entire jersey being shorter. I don't want a loose jersey, just one that is a tad longer so I don't have to reach my shoulder blade to get a gel.
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10/26/2020 02:32 PM
Way back in the day, wool jerseys had optional front pockets, closed with buttons. Easier to keep a small item handy. The rear pockets would contain a folded spare tubular tire as well as food.
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10/26/2020 03:20 PM
Posted By Dale Dale on 10/26/2020 02:13 PM
Newspapers... Ben, you are dating yourself!

I tell some of the guys I ride with about that and they look at me like I'm making up ridiculous fairy tales


The best part is these days newspapers come with build in cookies. Do you accept all our cookies? Of course I do. Nom.
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10/26/2020 03:29 PM
Posted By Dale Dale on 10/26/2020 02:13 PM
Newspapers... Ben, you are dating yourself!

I tell some of the guys I ride with about that and they look at me like I'm making up ridiculous fairy tales

One of my buddies got gapped on a fast 100 miler last week when he had to sit up and futz around reaching into his pockets to get some food. With diminished flexibility I dislike the pocket placement on the new styles, they seem to be located higher due to the entire jersey being shorter. I don't want a loose jersey, just one that is a tad longer so I don't have to reach my shoulder blade to get a gel.

Dale, newspaper isn't long gone.  I've seen race footage in recent years of newspaper being stuffed at mountain passes - by the domestiques who know they probably won't have a team car handy.

I hear you on pockets.  One of the reasons I love those Mavic jerseys is that the pockets are really good.  Position - perfect.  Big.  Good sturdy material.  Can be stuffed many times.

I occasionally pull out my old racing jersey; made by Jones Cyclewear.  The fabric is synthetic and long before any of the modern stuff.  (Had it been wool it would have died many years ago.  It has a ridiculous number of miles and hours on it.)  Pockets are still right and good.  It's also fun that I can still war this jersey that was custom made for me as an in-form racer in the best condition of my life and that hasn't stretched at all.  Just VERY faded!
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10/26/2020 08:39 PM
Someone noted elsewhere that Velcro and Lycra are a really poor match in the laundry machine. Perhaps that’s why it hasn’t taken off.
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10/26/2020 09:41 PM
Posted By Orange Crush on 10/26/2020 08:39 PM
Someone noted elsewhere that Velcro and Lycra are a really poor match in the laundry machine. Perhaps that’s why it hasn’t taken off.

Hey, they aren't just a good match.  They become inseparable.  Like a good marriage.
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10/26/2020 10:53 PM
So close the velcro or wash separately. And get US made velcro. At least we do one thing better than anyone else.
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10/26/2020 11:04 PM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 10/26/2020 10:53 PM
So close the velcro or wash separately. And get US made velcro. At least we do one thing better than anyone else.

I wash my gloves and their velcro (closed) in the same delicate cycle with my cycling clothes.  Not an issue.  But I learned after having to administer some costly divorces.
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10/26/2020 11:09 PM
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Someone noted elsewhere that Velcro and Lycra are a really poor match in the laundry machine. Perhaps that’s why it hasn’t taken off.


You shouldn’t wash a rain jacket in a washing machine...ruins the water repellency.
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10/26/2020 11:31 PM
Hmm ya good point. I don’t think I’ve actually ever washed a rain jacket.

But I have had saddle bag Velcro do a number on bibs. Tight tolerances.
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10/26/2020 11:44 PM
CK, apologies but disagree. And dirty stuff leaks. Wash with the gentle cycle in a front loader. Touch up with a hair dryer to renew the durable water repellency, which occasionally needs a renew, e.g. with Gore's or similar products. If diva goretex can endure it, DWR on some nylon can too.

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10/26/2020 11:48 PM
And my apologies that I have contributed to the last words about the 2020 Giro being a debate about washing machines.
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10/26/2020 11:49 PM
PS: another way to manage velcro etc: get a large washing machine zip shut bag mesh bag to contain offensive velcro, bra strap hooks, etc, and mix away.
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10/26/2020 11:52 PM
lsd, they saw enough rain they might benefit from reading this thread.
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10/27/2020 09:31 AM
The pro racing entourage must be going through a lot of laundry so this is not a bad Segway.

They may not care about reducing repelency. They simply get new stuff. They probably also don’t have time to deal with protecting Lycra from Velcro hence choice for zippers perhaps. The hardest part of stage racing is not the racing it’s all the stuff that needs doing once the bikes are parked and needing to get ready for next day. This was probably also the reason the long stage was protested. The rain just added to concern.
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10/27/2020 09:45 AM
But we can Segway this back to Vegni and his wild batting around at EF, JV and the riders union. As opposed to looking in mirror at what all went wrong organizationally. This is what leadership doesn’t look like.
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10/27/2020 01:27 PM
Vegni is a petty little bitch.
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10/27/2020 09:08 PM
that could apply to JV, at least once in a while.


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