Roubaix
Last Post 10/07/2021 09:22 AM by Cosmic Kid. 45 Replies.
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Orange Crush

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09/28/2021 10:37 AM
Looks like it will finally happen. Sounds like it will be a wet edition and also windy. Just reading commentary from Tom Steels who rode two wet editions. Said he put preventative band aids on his hips and elbows because when it is wet there's a 50% chance you will crash at some point. Also when it is wet the peloton tends to break up after the first three or four sectors already and after that its every man, woman (first edition) and child for themselves. Should be a wild one.
huckleberry

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09/28/2021 12:53 PM
Should be a fun one! For the viewer ; )
Dale

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09/28/2021 01:13 PM
A bike version of a demolition derby
Cosmic Kid

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09/28/2021 03:38 PM
Showers Sat, 73% chance of rain

Light Rain Sunday; 88% chance of rain

Looks like my ride plans for Sunday AM just got cancelled!!
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longslowdistance

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09/28/2021 08:23 PM
Jeez back in the day of giants rather than splendid robots PR was a wet slopfest more often than not. This fan welcomes a return of pro cycling’s Everest at least in part as it used to be before power meters and race radios. Bring it on!
longslowdistance

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09/29/2021 07:43 PM
And this "you kids get off my lawn" geezer does not equate continuous and nearly instantaneous updates via team radio with JA dropping back to a team car for one pep talk with 60++k to go after which he was totally on his own. That single moment of coaching was not at all equivalent to race radio in its current incarnation. If the current tech was in place for the worlds, the Belgians would have done a lot different, including saving Enenepoel's legs for later.
Orange Crush

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09/29/2021 08:40 PM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 09/29/2021 07:43 PM
. If the current tech was in place for the worlds, the Belgians would have done a lot different, including saving Enenepoel's legs for later.


Haha, no. The Belgian team car was exactly where the French team car was. If they had wanted to redirect Evenepoel's efforts it would have been very easy to do so. Yet they didn't. Why? Because everything at that point was going exactly according to their plan A, Evenepoel was executing his assigned tasks (jump with escapes; pull hard once shift was made) to perfection. The Belgians simply had a poor plan (several have since weighed in on the fact that Evenepoel should have been assigned different tasks; Evenepoel himself made suggestions about saving energy until later in the race during a Saturday pre-race meeting but he was solidly shut down by Belgian coach) and tunnel vision sticking to that plan. It was dissected again today in a roundtable of experts (third round table already this week, haha). The Belgians only adjusted their plan once van Aert finally hinted he was not good.

Example of where having no radios made a massive difference? The womens race in Tokyo. There were communication challenges (normally in a situation like that updates are given each time race passes the finish) that the Dutch coach was unable to overcome. Consequently only one rider (Vos) was aware of the danger of the escape, none of the others clued in until it was too late. With radios guaranteed that solo would have been pulled back.
Orange Crush

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09/29/2021 09:16 PM
More so than radios which we know they’ll have in Roubaix, I’m more interested in DQSs tire choice for Roubaix. Have they 100% embraced clinchers? And how will they hold up in wet?
longslowdistance

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09/30/2021 06:40 AM
Risk of pinch flats. That’s why I incorrectly guessed tubeless earlier.
longslowdistance

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10/02/2021 02:37 PM
The women's race today was a good preview. A lot of slick cobbles!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ncB8R4LPNqY/TelesG-gAII/AAAAAAAADUI/g0vOKvbtpVI/s1600/Greg+LeMond+1985+Paris-Roubaix+headshot.jpg
Cosmic Kid

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10/02/2021 03:00 PM
EPIC ride by Deignan….legendary. Rode every single cobble section solo.

Bummed Vos didn’t take the win though.
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Orange Crush

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10/02/2021 04:04 PM
Great ride by Deignan. She lucked on on one of mud sectors slipping all over the place but just keeping it together. Vos looked far better on cobbles perhaps showing cyclocross advantage but started chase too late. Borgini looked brutal technically trying to churn a massive gear unclipping at some point. Really bad early crash for van Vleuten who once again is looking at a long path to recovery.
Cosmic Kid

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10/03/2021 07:18 AM
Wet and muddy Roubaix….

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Orange Crush

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10/03/2021 07:46 AM
Carnage. Wow
Cosmic Kid

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10/03/2021 08:03 AM
Wout with some work to do after Arenberg…lost the wheels after having to avoid a crash. He is about 30” off MVP.
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Orange Crush

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10/03/2021 08:34 AM
The way VDP takes corners compared to rest. Wow.
Orange Crush

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10/03/2021 08:59 AM
Moscon looks like he’ll take it.
Cosmic Kid

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10/03/2021 09:03 AM
WVA down about 1 min with 55k to go. Not looking good for him. Moscon leading the race…praying MVP reels him in. Coming up to Mons en Pavele…
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Cosmic Kid

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10/03/2021 09:21 AM
Crap…Moscon is growing his lead.
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longslowdistance

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10/03/2021 09:32 AM
Entertaining race!
Getting a clean bike has advantages
Orange Crush

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10/03/2021 09:38 AM
Flat then crash Moscon. New game
6ix

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10/03/2021 09:50 AM
Our prayers have been answered! I hope MVdP goes full "Amstel gold finish" and passes him about 100 meters before the line.
Orange Crush

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10/03/2021 09:56 AM
This Vermeersch kid is impressive.
79pmooney

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10/03/2021 10:00 AM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 10/03/2021 09:32 AM
Entertaining race!
Getting a clean bike has advantages
Except ... does it handle like your last mount?  Moscon might have discovered otherwise.

The photo of Moscon in the VN live coverage; shades of the famous "hell of the north" photo of what? 50 years ago!

Colbrelli - riding a very smart race.  Looks like he is getting low on gas but he is where he is because he is using his strengths very wisely.
Orange Crush

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10/03/2021 10:02 AM
Seemed like Moscon replacement bike had a bit much tire pressure.
79pmooney

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10/03/2021 10:04 AM
As I as writing the above, Colbrelli surged and now he is one of three. (And he's spent far less time in the wind than either of the others.)
Orange Crush

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10/03/2021 10:20 AM
What a season for Colbrelli
Cosmic Kid

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10/03/2021 10:31 AM
Epic race, great result for Colbrelli.

I would just like to give thanks and praise to the Cycling Gods who intervened twice to make sure Moscon did not win. Promised sacrifices are forthcoming.
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79pmooney

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10/03/2021 10:37 AM
What a win for Colbrelli! This P-R gonna be remembered for a while.

All three podium sitters are P-R rookies, no? Has that ever happened before? (Well, the first edition. )
longslowdistance

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10/03/2021 10:37 AM
OC that makes sense. Never thought I'd feel sorry for Moscon.
Great race, truly epic.
Cosmic Kid

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10/03/2021 10:52 AM
Never thought I'd feel sorry for Moscon


Oh hell no…FTG, period. He deserves whatever bad luck comes his way. His transfer to Astana is probably the best pairing of a team and douchecanoe rider in a long time.
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79pmooney

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10/03/2021 11:16 AM
Funny, I picked up a copy of Street Roots, the local paper of, for and by for the homeless yesterday. Front Page headline - "What's In a Monument?" Haven't read it yet but I suspect it is about either artists creating them or the Civil War and others being taken down, not the 5 we live for but the timing - impeccable!
Cosmic Kid

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10/03/2021 01:31 PM


LOL!!!!
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longslowdistance

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10/03/2021 01:52 PM
LOL!
Orange Crush

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10/03/2021 02:45 PM
Hahaha
Orange Crush

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10/05/2021 09:26 AM
So Colbrelli says he flatted twice in Roubaix, once near very beginning of race, but tubeless sealant worked perfectly. Never needed to change. Interesting.

Don’t believe the DQS setup held up nearly as well.
79pmooney

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10/05/2021 11:05 PM
Posted By Orange Crush on 10/05/2021 09:26 AM
So Colbrelli says he flatted twice in Roubaix, once near very beginning of race, but tubeless sealant worked perfectly. Never needed to change. Interesting.

Don’t believe the DQS setup held up nearly as well.

I saw that D-QS was going full disk/tubeless before the race and thought that just didn't sound smart. A new technology for them, P-R is virtually dead flat, punctures are a fact of life in that race and there probably isn't a team out there with more experience with and better access to sewups and wheels.  Also that I'm hopelessly old-school and probably need to wake up.

Race happens and and other teams do very well with the new stuff (well except for the guy who used a size 45 brake shoe) but D-QS?  They needed those sewup!  (Moscon might have benefited also.  I'd rather a world class silk sewup pumped a little too hard over any beaded tire and rim equally too hard.  And had he rim brakes, he could have kept his bike and only need to watch one tire.  Thankfully, that didn't happen!)

I see we have a thread on Sidi brake shoes.  Gonna open that next.
Orange Crush

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10/05/2021 11:39 PM
Ben - DQS ditched tubulars a year ago in favour of clinchers with tubes. Been doing well enough on them all year in most conditions. They should have gone tubeless for Roubaix but didn’t. Both men’s and women’s race wax won on tubeless.
Cosmic Kid

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10/06/2021 10:24 AM
They should have gone tubeless for Roubaix but didn’t.


Tubeless or tubulars...using clinchers was no doubt the worst possible equipment choice for those conditions and it showed.
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Dale

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10/06/2021 03:21 PM
I just read where Lizzie Deignan's tyre pressure was 2.3 bar ~33 psi
Holy crap! You're not doing that with a tube set up successfully.

I'll stay tubular on my cx race wheels only because I have them. If I were starting from scratch I'd be tubeless.
Cosmic Kid

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10/06/2021 03:23 PM
Holy crap! You're not doing that with a tube set up successfully.


Not over cobbles, you aren't!!!
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Orange Crush

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10/06/2021 06:20 PM
Deignan must be a featherweight. 2.3 bars is way lower than Colbrelli who started with 3.4 front and 3.8 rear and ended with 3 front and 2.8 rear.
longslowdistance

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10/06/2021 07:44 PM
And/or she was on fatter tires.
longslowdistance

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10/06/2021 07:45 PM
Sorry duplicate post
longslowdistance

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10/06/2021 07:46 PM
Sorry duplicate post
Cosmic Kid

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10/07/2021 09:22 AM
And/or she was on fatter tires.


Sher was on a Trek Domane and Colbrelli was on an aero road bike, so she almost certainly had wider tires than him. Dunno what size exactly though, but I would guess 32's vs. 28's for him.
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