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Master50

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03/14/2014 10:45 PM
Mirrors are already illegal in racing. They are considered non essential equipment and I believe they are dangerous in competition. I mention my opinion because I am the guy that would order you to take it off or be a spectator. I have done so, many times already in this case it is not just a fashion rule.
I only just started to put my glasses outside the straps. I now think this is a good rule because I follow it
huckleberry

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03/15/2014 10:57 AM
Pinocchio -

Must be my mammoth-sized head combined with my skeletor face, that allow the straps to accommodate the glasses ; )

I'll have to check this rule again today.
Oldfart

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03/15/2014 12:18 PM
Posted By Dale Dale on 03/14/2014 06:39 PM
Hey OF, I did that efudex in December. Five days nothing… then BAM, like a bad sunburn, the irony of which was not lost on me. My forehead and temple area of my face looks 20 years younger now than before. Kinda cool in that regard, but not anxious to repeat those two weeks


Yeah I did 23 weeks. 6 weeks scalp, 2weeksface 4 weeks left forearm, 5 weeks right forearm and another 6 weeks scalp. It was supposed to be 6 weeks for each area. Only the scalp didn't hurt so bad.
bobswire

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03/15/2014 01:25 PM
I probably broke every rule in the book with this one photo. Flat bars on a Merckx, Jeans, Mountain shoes/pedals, rx glasses,hat under helmet,pump, messenger bag), etc etc...

ChinookPass

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03/15/2014 07:43 PM
no apologies, Bob. looks like a great day!
stronz

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03/16/2014 09:35 AM
jeez its good to see some action on this website....As far as the rules -- most make sense to me. I break the "no-mirror" rule every time I get on my bike however I do think it angers the cycling Gods -- to wit: when I was in France riding the Etape in '04 I had a handle bar mirror on the left side of my bar-end. It stuck out like an ugly blemish on an otherwise sweet ride. But I thought it helped me to be a bit more aware of my surroundings --l especially riding on the right shoulder of the road here in the states. Well somehwere along the route of the etape -- and I really dont remember exactly where -- the thing vanished. Either broke off, or some frenchman decided it was an atrocity which need instant remedying. I took that as a sign and didnt ride with one for a long time. Then I found the sleeker bar-end mirrors which I ride with today - they dont stick out but continue the line of the bar-end. Less egregious -- but defintely let me see the bozos driving up from behind. If i ever ride in Europe again I might just take them off to avoid incurring the wrath of the locals....and Bob I think you look pretty dang awesome!
stronz

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03/16/2014 09:40 AM
OK the rules dont really "make sense" to me -- dont know why I said that. Well just #5. That makes sensee
Master50

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03/16/2014 06:45 PM
Posted By stronzo nonfumare on 03/16/2014 09:35 AM
jeez its good to see some action on this website....As far as the rules -- most make sense to me. I break the "no-mirror" rule every time I get on my bike however I do think it angers the cycling Gods -- to wit: when I was in France riding the Etape in '04 I had a handle bar mirror on the left side of my bar-end. It stuck out like an ugly blemish on an otherwise sweet ride. But I thought it helped me to be a bit more aware of my surroundings --l especially riding on the right shoulder of the road here in the states. Well somehwere along the route of the etape -- and I really dont remember exactly where -- the thing vanished. Either broke off, or some frenchman decided it was an atrocity which need instant remedying. I took that as a sign and didnt ride with one for a long time. Then I found the sleeker bar-end mirrors which I ride with today - they dont stick out but continue the line of the bar-end. Less egregious -- but defintely let me see the bozos driving up from behind. If i ever ride in Europe again I might just take them off to avoid incurring the wrath of the locals....and Bob I think you look pretty dang awesome!


The one question I have always had about mirrors. If you see the car coming do you have enough time to do anything about it? Not talking about using a mirror for lane changes or because you cannot turn your head but I hear so may helmet mirror types rave about this one point. they can see the car coming. Has anyone ever dove to the ditch because they saw the car coming? more likely they just got hit right after they were scared to death.
79pmooney

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03/16/2014 07:18 PM
Master, I don't use my mirror to judge whether cars will pass or not. The place where they are huge is giving me information as to how I can handle what is in front of me. In other words, should I ride over that gravel or ride into the road and around it? Hold my line fairly close to a parked car or swing fully clear of the potential door swing. (This in a situation where I was riding into the sunset, my ears told me a car was coming and I could see nobody in the car. With no mirror, I choose to hold a fairly tight line and bought it big time when the drive who had been looking for her kids stuff on the passenger floor opened the door without looking. Turned out the car behind me was far enough back that it wasn't an issue, but I was messed up badly. With a mirror, a quick look would have told me I had time and I would have just signaled left, taken some more lane and called it just another near miss. That crash was in my top 5. A lifetime of being consigned to mirrors, starting then at age 27 would be a hands down good exchange.

In general, I DO NOT look to judge if cars can pass. If it is going to be close, I'd rather not know and therefor do nothing different until the car has passed. But looking and seeing a large construction truck coming on a narrow road will have me looking to be narrow and small, or even off the road as simple courtesy to the driver as well as my safety. (And I may well either wave him past or signal to brake if conditions warrant.)

Another factor for me is that turning my neck to look and ride a straight line is much harder than it was in my racing days 35 years ago. Yes, some of that is age and perhaps I could undo some by stretching more, but a lot of it has to do with the bike crashes I have had involving neck and shoulder injuries. I have to turn my body a lot more than I used to. That swerve to the left is a lot harder to not do. (Master, I have reached double symmetry and about an inch less shoulder width than what came out of the box.)

Ben
Master50

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03/17/2014 10:10 AM
No doubt I have a prejudice about mirrors and everything you use a mirror for I turn my head. The flexibility is not what it used to be but I still manage. Actually there is a mirror I like if I was ever to use one. it is a wide angle mirror that plugs in the end of drop bars. Does not replace a look but in terms of the use you describe a good compromise. Helmet mounted mirrors scare me. I remember a stick on mirror that went on the inside of your glasses outboard. Very small but so close to the eye it offered some rear view. still had to cock your head a little but nothing to poke an eye out.
Yo Mike

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03/17/2014 10:32 AM
Ben gives a great description of the utility of mirrors. I have not ridden with one in many years, but the one I did use way back when attached to the side of a (thicker) hard shell helmet (Bell V-1), and I especially liked it on long country roads. I think it was called '3rd Eye'. Blackburn?

Great to know from a distance just what will soon overtake you - especially a vehicle with a trailer, which are often wider than the vehicle itself, and sway a bit. Nice thing too about helmet mirrors is that one does not need to look away to see behind, and image distortion due to vibration (handlebar mirror) is minimized.
Master50

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03/18/2014 10:07 AM
Posted By bob etzler on 03/15/2014 01:25 PM
I probably broke every rule in the book with this one photo. Flat bars on a Merckx, Jeans, Mountain shoes/pedals, rx glasses,hat under helmet,pump, messenger bag), etc etc...



Actually a cycling cap under a road helmet is the only acceptable manner a roadie can use a visor. Still the best rain protection for seeing. Often better than glasses
Funk

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03/18/2014 11:43 AM
I guess I'm missing the boat as to why people hate mirrors? Is it really the style thing? Honestly, I'd rather ride without a helmet than without a mirror. I know that sounds harsh, but it's true. If I know what's coming, I can make the proper adjustments most of the time. I don't have to ride in busy cities, but do have to face the wrath of the 4x4 monster trucks on the back roads of Michigan. Between them and the constant stream of motorists driving with their heads down (texting and such), I have ridden safely into the gravel/grass shoulder many a time thanks to my mirror. Many of my friends have been hit and people just don't care. It's self defense around here, and my mirror is my best friend. FYI - I have the blackburn model mentioned above, and have for years. It attaches with some double stick tape to the outside of my helmet. Geeky? I guess. But it's saved my ass a few times.
C2K_Rider

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03/22/2014 12:20 AM
Why are mirrors considered non essential? Why not bike computers? Why not dérailleurs? Seriously this is a perfect example of the total nonsense that goes on in these organizations! And pray tell, exactly what is it that makes a mirror "dangerous?" Seriously?
C2K_Rider

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03/22/2014 12:31 AM
I've said the same thing many times. helmet is for crashing. Mirror is for not crashing. This went on for days on the vn forum....The mirror users giving rational, objective reasons why they use mirrors and the only response from the mirror haters being Rapha fashion tips.
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