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79pmooney

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03/22/2014 02:37 AM
C2K, helmets are for mounting our mirrors so we don't crash. 'Course they make fairly expensive mounting platforms and if the mirror does it's job, we have to toss these expensive platforms otherwise unused every few years. Oh well.

Ben
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03/22/2014 05:53 PM
Posted By Joe Rockbottom on 03/22/2014 12:20 AM
Why are mirrors considered non essential? Why not bike computers? Why not dérailleurs? Seriously this is a perfect example of the total nonsense that goes on in these organizations! And pray tell, exactly what is it that makes a mirror "dangerous?" Seriously?


It is people that judge the rules with really no clue and get all PO'd about the organization ,........ If you don't race then it does not apply to you. First thing is racing is about what is ahead. Crashes are chaos and there are lots of things on bicycles not essential for racing. Fenders, mirrors, bar bags, in supported races pumps and seat bags are not essential too. I have seen guys want to race a touring bike with racks and fenders. The point being there are already enough sharp and pointy bits to skewer each other with. A bunch of wheels got banned because the spokes became skewers after crashes. Most of the dissing of mirrors is just that, banter. I am entitled to dislike them but I'll accept you like them. There is no good reason for a mirror in a bike race.. Images of a rider (Hoogerland?) getting hit by a race vehicle notwithstanding.
79pmooney

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03/22/2014 06:09 PM
Computers are truly non-essential for racing, distract riders and probably cause a lot of crashes. (Very helpful, yes. But everything the human body can do with a computer is just as possible without.) Likewise race radios. (The race radio crashes might not be from distraction, but they certainly lead to riders trying to force themselves into places they don't belong/fit because their DS is insisting they get to the front before this hill/pave/wind etc.)

I suspect mirrors would cause far less crashes and injury than either of the above.

Ben
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03/22/2014 11:56 PM
Posted By 79 pmooney on 03/22/2014 06:09 PM
Computers are truly non-essential for racing, distract riders and probably cause a lot of crashes. (Very helpful, yes. But everything the human body can do with a computer is just as possible without.) Likewise race radios. (The race radio crashes might not be from distraction, but they certainly lead to riders trying to force themselves into places they don't belong/fit because their DS is insisting they get to the front before this hill/pave/wind etc.)

I suspect mirrors would cause far less crashes and injury than either of the above.

Ben


What about it that bugs you so much about mirrors being prohibited? Last race I was at I saw at least 3 bar end mirrors mounted and no commissaire noticed. Most of the notice goes to helmet mounted mirrors where eye injury is a concern in a crash. Do you know what computers do for riders? They provide a lot of tactical information. and essential data on fitness, effectiveness of training and lots of things I can't think about. Information can focus an athletes efforts and recovery. It can remove mystery. make training more effective. they can tell a rider where in the course they are and GPS computers can tell you a turn is coming.. Cycling is a pro sport with a lot of need for information, I just cannot have the radio discussion Never seen anyone impaled by a computer or radio. Old Paris Roubaix videos showed the rush for the front a few years before radios appeared so I doubt the DS has much to do with that. I didn't write the rule but a lot of very experience people that spend their entire professional careers in racing do. Rules are seldom written by bureucrats but by officials and racers. In Europw most of the top officials were also racers. What are your credentials to provide us risk analysis and sensibility of racing rules? In those rules a mirror is considered non essential equipment for road, track, cx, Mtb, vmx, racing. They may well be considered essential equipment in any para cycling events where disability might trump. that and not to many tight packs. Definitely still has crashes.
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