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longslowdistance

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11/13/2019 09:10 PM
From a strictly medical perspective, so far and hopefully going forward there will be no complications from his burr hole or similar. That said, it is highly likely that there will be further reduction of his mental capacity. One may nitpic about what is serious. This is not he will die right now, but this is serious. Expectations have been appropriately low. I wish him and his family the best.
Back to the 2020 race: I stand by my assertions that Trump has a lane to win with the current Dem candidates and our electoral college. And that he would be annihilated by a Dem closer to the center who is acceptable to the handful of center right voters in the handful of swing states that elected the current occupant and would be pleased to vote otherwise if a candidate from the Dems was acceptable to them.
Orange Crush

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11/19/2019 09:04 AM
Interesting read

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/electoral-college-racist-origins/601918/
79pmooney

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11/19/2019 02:12 PM
OC, good read. Sobering. That should be taught in school. Along with the fact that the "men" referred to in the Declaration of Independence is the subset of humans that are white, male and land owners. The compromises of the Constitution were to ensure that definition stayed intact.

I am one that believes that slavery and how it shaped our nation should be taught throughout our school years. Likewise that all its lingering consequences should be out on the table and openly discussed.

I grew up in a privileged family from Boston, I was under the illusion for many years that we were the "good guys", a Union officer being in my family line and the Underground Railroad being close. Then I read about the Lowell cotton mills, the start of our industrial revolution where, yes, the workers were treated well (by standards of the day). But those mills made the Lowell family and other investors from Boston, almost certainly including my family, very rich on the backs of cheap slave labor of the cotton growing South.

I have also had my eyes opened to the extent that the New England states I am from engaged actively to support the institution of slavery. Distilling rum, building ships, running fleets of ships - the slave triangle. Send the ships to Africa loaded with rum to sell. That money buys slaves that are then shipped in the same holds that had just carried barrels of rum to the Caribbean where they are sold and sugar is loaded to be brought north to be made into that rum.

As a kid, we used to spend a week every summer on Narragansett Bay. I remember going into Bristol, this perfect little town of immaculate buildings made from huge slabs of granite. Now I know the wealth to afford such grand buildings came in large part from the slave trade. No, not the dirty hands of actually buying, selling and shipping people. No, the perfect clean hands work of providing the money, reaping far more in return.

Our dirty little secret. The secret all "men", to this day. get to benefit from. Let's get it out there and talk. Nothing changes until we can talk about it. And yes, it will be very uncomfortable.

Ben
Cosmic Kid

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11/20/2019 08:52 AM
Oh my.....Sondland tossing both Rudy and Trump under the bus right now.

BIG TIME.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
thinline

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11/20/2019 01:37 PM
Yep, but the GOP talkers are still saying "nothing to see here folks, move along." Remarkable but on the other hand, expected.

When I see this $4it happening I think back to Lindsey Graham saying that if Trump got the GOP nomination he would destroy the party. Looks like Lindsey should have believed himself back than.
Dale

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11/20/2019 02:32 PM
And how long before Donnie-boy throws Rudy under the bus?

"Never actually met him. He was a low level staffer, loose cannon that was just looking out for himself. Sad. Biggly. Covfefe."

It is amazing how is base has not abandoned him... freaking amazing! Guess he was right about shooting someone in the middle of 5th Ave and not losing support. Not far from Edwin Edwards and his "The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."

Cosmic Kid

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11/20/2019 02:57 PM
It is amazing how is base has not abandoned him... freaking amazing!


it really isn't...the GOP long ago became a Cult of Personality, eschewing principles and traditional conservative stances to curry favor with Trump.

Ballooning deficits? Meh.
Cozying up to dictators? Sure.
Congratulating China on 70 years of Communism? Sure, why not.
Family values? Let's embrace a serial adulterer who bangs porno stars and Playboy Bunnies.

That said, Rudy is definitely fooked. Sondland clearly said Trump never told him anything directly and that it all went through Rudy. Trump will toss him under the bus before the driver even gets his keys out.

ETTD.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
thinline

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11/20/2019 03:13 PM
The Ballad of Gordon and Rudy (sung to the tune of Folsom Prison Blues)


I hear that bus a'comin'
it's a'comin' down the track
Trump tossed me right under it
now it's cruising on my back.
Now I'm stuck in Folsom Prison
and time keeps draggin' on.
And now I rue the day,
that I sucked up to Don.
Orange Crush

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11/20/2019 03:30 PM
Posted By Cosmic Kid on 11/20/2019 02:57 PM
That said, Rudy is definitely fooked. Sondland clearly said Trump never told him anything directly and that it all went through Rudy. Trump will toss him under the bus before the driver even gets his keys out.

ETTD.


Plausible deniability? Been there, done that. Reagan - Iran Contra. Definitely impeachable otherwise: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/25/16020518/trump-iran-contra-reagan-parallels-impeachment

You guys sure now how to pick em'.
Cosmic Kid

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11/20/2019 03:33 PM
Impeachable, but can't get a conviction. There is just enough wiggle room for the GOP to let him skate during a Senate trial.

Which was always the inevitable outcome. The only thing that matters if there is enough evidence to come out to get the critical swing voters to fully see how corrupt this administration is. That is the only thing I want out of this impeachment process....he'll never get removed. I just want people to vote the fooker out.
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longslowdistance

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11/20/2019 04:21 PM
So instead censure him. The senate will have to face that. It will be like a big rotting fish at McConnell’s doorstep that if ignored will just stink worse. And that may deflate some of Trump’s rabid fans, who won’t get their “see I told you so” resolution.
Cosmic Kid

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11/20/2019 04:36 PM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 11/20/2019 04:21 PM
So instead censure him. The senate will have to face that. It will be like a big rotting fish at McConnell’s doorstep that if ignored will just stink worse. And that may deflate some of Trump’s rabid fans, who won’t get their “see I told you so” resolution.


I'd be good with that strategy.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Cosmic Kid

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12/03/2019 05:26 PM
Kamala harris dropped out.....crap. I really liked her. I would paid a lot of money to see her debate the Orange Muffin.
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longslowdistance

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12/03/2019 11:43 PM
And my guy Bullock never was in the race. Trump is smiling.
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