A Blast From the Past....
Last Post 02/05/2022 02:57 PM by Cosmic Kid. 34 Replies.
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Cosmic Kid

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01/20/2022 03:36 PM
Hello-

We've been watching your illegal activities on VeloNews Forums. As has the webmaster from VeloNews. We do not appreciate you copying the Giro D'Italia from TV or DVDs and selling or giving it away to your buddies. We have you email address, the webmaster at Velo was nice enough to give us your IP as well as the user 'Sarpin' that has been helping you copy DVDs/TV broadcasts illegally.

Do you realize you are hurting the sport you love? You are contributing to the possibility that someday OLN, Velo and World Cycling Productions won't be able to afford to produce the Giro D'Italia.

Please stop your illegal activities. We are watching you and Velo News and WCP have discussed your activities and will continue to watch you.

I still can't believe you would post this stuff on a board of a company that sells the legal copy of the Giro D'Italia. Velo News is not happy neither is WCP.

Sincerely, -- Erik Dahl Cycle Sport Magazine 651-251-4531 www.cyclesportmag.com
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Cosmic Kid

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01/20/2022 03:37 PM
LOL...what a chump that guy was.

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Orange Crush

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01/20/2022 04:29 PM
Haha CK, you are single-handedly bringing down the Giro.

Are the TDF/ASO next on your target list?

Maybe you should add Flanders Classics. Just reading on interesting piece how, having been tasked with organizing all WC events (inside and outside Belgium), are rapidly changing the cyclocross playing field. They're the next big player after ASO, also organizing a bunch of spring classics obviously.
Dale

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01/20/2022 06:12 PM
Oh man, that was how many years ago... 15 or more?





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Cosmic Kid

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01/20/2022 07:33 PM
Yeah, it was 2006, Dale.

DOH!!!
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6ix

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01/21/2022 08:42 AM
Whoa!!! I've always wondered what the full back-story is to that tagline. I gotta say, I'd have been running scared had I received that email regardless if I'd done anything wrong at all!!

What exactly was going on here? Was Sarpin ripping the DVD's and putting them on a Torrent?
Cosmic Kid

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01/21/2022 09:42 AM
Now, I had burned a DVD of the full RAI coverage of a few stages. I then offered it up as a "vine" to the members of the VN board. I sent it to one person, they could watch or burn a copy and then it to the next person.

The e-mails just got more comical as the situation progressed.

Second e-mail In my response I told them I did not use WCP material in my DVD. Also told them I was cancelling my subscription to CycleSport and would never buy another DVD from them.

Regardless if you used WCP coverage or coverage from the TV; by
reproducing that footage and burning it onto a DVD you have broken
American Copyright laws. We, World Cycling Productions, own all home
video/DVD rights to the Giro D'Italia. That means you have broken the
law and we are in our full rights to prosecute. Plus we have the right
to pass your information on the Giro D'Italia organizers because along
with violating USA rights that we own, you are also violating
International copyright laws that the organizers of the Giro D'Italia
hold. Regardless if you profited from this copying you have still broken
American and International copyright laws.

This has nothing to do with Cycle Sport Magazine and that you think it
proper to threaten us with not renewing your subscription is ridiculous.
By threatening us you have just sealed your own fate. You could have
just apologized, ceased your DVD copying, and we would have been fine
with that, but your insolence has only strengthened our pending legal
action. Do you realize that in your email you have admitted to violation
of copyright laws and added strength to our pending legal action. We
will submit this email to our lawyers and pass this email onto the Giro
D'Italia, VeloNews and OLN to see what they think about your feelings on
copyright law.

Thanks again for letting us know you have ordered from us, we now know
we can find your address and all pertinent information in our databases.
We will begin legal processes immediately and I'm sure OLN and the Giro
D'Italia will be less understanding then we are. Or you could just
apologize to us and write an apology on the VeloNews boards. Remember
VeloNews is well aware of your violations and does not appreciate you
propagating illegal activities on their message-boards. You and your
buddies have exposed VeloNews to legal recourse and have sealed your own
fate by replying to us with such insolence.

We will now contact VeloNews with your response as well as our lawyers,
OLN and the Giro D'Italia.

Are you happy you wrote this email now?

Sincerely,

Erik Dahl
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Cosmic Kid

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01/21/2022 09:43 AM
Third e-mail By this time I had posted these e-mails on the VN board

By continuing to post our responses on the VeloNews message board you
are only inflaming the situation. We have contacted the webmaster again
and we are ready begin proceedings.

Erik
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Cosmic Kid

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01/21/2022 09:45 AM
Fourth e-mail I had just told him to stop his threatening e-mails

I assure you these have not been threatening emails. You have violated
copyright laws. World Cycling Productions owns all home viewing rights.
I would bet that the DVD you sent out is an edited version (no
commercials) and this is a violation of copyright laws. You admitted
your illegal activities in your email response to me and have sealed
your own fate.

Erik
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Cosmic Kid

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01/21/2022 09:46 AM
5th e-mail By this time I was also in touch with VN and they were just as incredulous as me over this whole thing and assured me that they had no intention of pursuing action against me

I think you chose our path for us. You sent out 1 copy to many. Andy
Pemberton (webmaster) at VeloNews assures me he will contact you and
possibly ban your IP for putting Velo in legal limbo.

Don't blame us, you violated the law.

You may have said to me that you will no longer send out additional
copies but as I posted in the last email message just yesterday you sent
out another copy. How are we to believe you when you post in a public
forum that you forgot to sent the DVD out and will tomorrow (today).

Erik
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Cosmic Kid

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01/21/2022 09:52 AM
I think that was the last e-mail from him, as my next response told him to stop contacting me. 5 days later, I sent him an e-mail just to troll his ass. I had discussed the issue with a buddy of mine who is a lawyer and he said I was absolutely not exposed to any legal issues.

Just wanted to let you know that I have yet to hear form any of the following three entities:

* Your lawyers
* The VN administrator (although I contacted them and there is no issue)
* The organizers of the Giro
My lawyer assures me that your e-mails are factually incorrect and border on harrassment. As far as I am concerned at this point, the matter is dead.

Hope you had a great holiday.
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Habanero

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01/21/2022 10:28 AM
Nice to see the full episode described here. I must have forgotten all this from the Forum. Erik is an effing douchecanoe.
6ix

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01/21/2022 11:09 AM
I'd have tapped out long ago, but mad props to you for continuing on. Really don't see what leg they have to stand on. The video was broadcast in a local market and recorded. Pretty sure I have VHS tapes still sitting around with the 1994 Tour de France on them recorded from CBS. That could have even been an over-the-air video signal. What's wrong with that? Just because WCP chose to buy the footage themselves in order to doctor it up and provide a cleaned, edited version to cyclists in the States doesn't mean YOU can't have recorded video also.

It's like with an NFT. Someone (an idiot, generally) pays big money for a jpeg. Somebody else paid nothing for the same jpeg they found online. Just because someone else paid for something when they could have had it entirely for free doesn't mean it's illegal for ME to have it for free. After all, it was broadcast over the air, right?

Sorry for the incoherent rambling there.
Dale

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01/21/2022 12:09 PM
IIRR, WCP didn't even offer the Giro that year.

How many times did you "seal your own fate?"
Using that expression once was an eye roller but multiply times? Pretty weak.
Cosmic Kid

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01/21/2022 12:20 PM
So the basic rule of copyright in the US re: taping coverage is that if you tape / record something, but do not edit it or cut out the commercials , then you haven't violated copyright law (see his comment re: that above).

That was when I really knew I had him because he simply did not understand what I had sent out. It was the unedited RAI (Italian) coverage, which I had subscribed to through our cable carrier.

In the end, I think he was a Production Coordinator or something and I think he thought he could show off. he really had no business contacting me at all and his heavy-handed tone simply showed he didn't know what he was doing.

After the first exchange or two, I was simply baiting him because I knew he had nothing to go after me with.

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eurochien

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01/21/2022 03:51 PM
That is funny. I miss that forum, there was so much drama all the time.
zootracer

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01/21/2022 06:14 PM
the goatroper rises from the grave. I miss those days.
Orange Crush

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01/21/2022 07:04 PM
The only reason I ever joined the old forum IIRC was because you had an election going on and per usual discussions were wildly interesting.
Cycling discussions are a dime a dozen lol.
79pmooney

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01/21/2022 10:06 PM
Posted By Dale Dale on 01/21/2022 12:09 PM
IIRR, WCP didn't even offer the Giro that year.

How many times did you "seal your own fate?"
Using that expression once was an eye roller but multiply times? Pretty weak.

CK's fate is so well sealed it should remain perfectly preserved the next eon or two.
longslowdistance

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01/22/2022 06:58 AM
Reminiscent of record companies losing their collective minds over sharing software. They went after some college kids to show they were serious and got a well deserved PR black eye.
Cosmic Kid

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01/22/2022 08:30 AM
Posted By Franck A. on 01/21/2022 03:51 PM
That is funny. I miss that forum, there was so much drama all the time.


Goatroper, Aluminum Frog, Danboo….. I do miss some of those guys from the forum though…gurb, Barry, Sarpin, Keith, etc. I still keep in touch with Bartape though through another forum and texts.
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zootracer

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01/22/2022 02:34 PM
Wasn't Gurb the guy who was a fan of crocs? Also he was against carbon bikes? This is going back a couple of years. Danboo (or Banboo) actually was one of the reasons Velo News shut down the forum....
6ix

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01/22/2022 04:04 PM
Remember the drunken tirades by Everton FC?

But yeah, Danboo absolutely ruined the forum. Can't quite recall exactly what he did but believe it involved carpet-bombing every single thread. These people would end up having conversations with themselves, and it was hard not to draw some comparisons to Jack Nicholson's character in the Shining at times.

Grub was the guy with Crocs and the amazing ability to ride everyone off his wheel while holding 38mph for miles on end. Surreal. Heard Cipollini had even flown to Texas just to see if he could sign him as his lead-out man.
Cosmic Kid

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01/22/2022 04:36 PM
I’m still not convinced Danboo was not another one of Aluminum Frog’s alter-egos. Both had a creepy fixation on me, both were from Portland, etc.

gurb and his crocs….LOL. Had forgotten about that! But he also gave us an awesome recipe for pizza dough on the grill, so there is that. 😎
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Dale

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01/22/2022 05:16 PM
Danboo and AF were two different people. AF had a ton of alias- Mandy Amanda, Fons de Wolf, and a slew of other. I was a mod and could see their IP addresses, not that wouldn't prevent a second computer from use but Danboo had it in for me that AF didn't. I was reading a west coast on-line newspaper, skimming the comments section of an op-ed and sun-of-a-gun, AF chimed in using one of his familiar noms de plume. Same combative style... no surprise.


IIRR, it was Barry/ Blue Zurich who gave the dough recipe. I still have it under Blue Zurich Pizza Dough in my recipe file.

and of course how could we not forget Fuzzball with her 10,000 bike tests?
eurochien

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01/22/2022 07:35 PM
Wasn't there an "old & fat" ex-pro (maybe?), there was SuperFrenchie towards the last couple years, who took offense at anything criticizing France or the French. Berzin was also a regular, he posts here once in a while doesn't he? I don't know if my forum nostalgia is just me simply missing my thirties lol. Maybe I'm just a woose.
Cosmic Kid

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01/22/2022 07:55 PM
It was widely suspected that O&F was Jeff Evanshine, who won the Jr. Worlds back in the 90’s. He definitely had a lot of insider knowledge.

Yeah, Berzin pops up now and then here, as does Barry under his Blue Zurich screen name.

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eurochien

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01/22/2022 09:32 PM
What was the username of the guy who always defended Armstrong, I think he was from TX. He must've eaten so much crow haha.
smokey52

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01/22/2022 09:56 PM
and of course Jennifer
Orange Crush

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01/23/2022 11:41 AM
Ive physically met six forumites, chad (beer in Colorado), dinner with Keith and his gang, sidebyside (planned meetup in BC for gravel event), Andy (chance encounter at startline of Whistler gran fondo), canucklehead (chance airport encounter in Montreal while I was enroute to Europe) and Ben (OTGG). Have lots of back and forth with Andy via FB and we were at same spot skiing yesterday judging by our posts. He was in dog area I am sure with his labs which we tend to avoid aait is full of dogs high on adrenaline.
Cranky Tom

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01/24/2022 10:58 AM
And let's not forget Fuzzball . . . Those were some entertaining days on the old VN Forum. In between all the noise from the crazies, there was a lot of great actual "tech talk." I learned a lot.
Habanero

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01/25/2022 08:40 AM
Not incoherent at all - what you said makes total sense.
Habanero

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01/25/2022 08:42 AM
Fuzzball, Danboo, Everton - the place was filled with some crazy characters!
Habanero

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01/25/2022 08:47 AM
O&F is a friend of mine here in Maine. Grew up near San Fran and began his racing career under the tutelage of Tom Ritchey.
Cosmic Kid

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02/05/2022 02:57 PM
Posted By Hot Habanero on 01/25/2022 08:47 AM
O&F is a friend of mine here in Maine. Grew up near San Fran and began his racing career under the tutelage of Tom Ritchey.


🤯🤯🤯 How are we just learning this now?!?!
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