huckleberry
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| 12/26/2022 05:30 PM |
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Is there a cycling specific term for the latest, best, most promising cyclist du jour - possibly somewhat derogatory, but not necessarily. I feel like Golden Boy might be overused, but I can't think of a better alternative.
It's for a story I'm working on. |
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Dale
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| 12/26/2022 06:44 PM |
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| LOL! The next (Lance, Eddy, whomever). Sorry I can’t think of another term. |
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huckleberry
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| 12/26/2022 06:56 PM |
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Thanks, Dale. I thought of those also, but I only found "The next Lance" derogatory, not Eddy ; )
And sadly, or not so sadly, Lance is dated.
Needs to be something that the average Joe will understand, and I'm not sure how many people these days would get the Lance reference. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/26/2022 08:15 PM |
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| It’s properly spelled Evenepoel. Never heard of Golden Boy. |
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longslowdistance
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| 12/27/2022 03:19 AM |
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| Fons de Wolf |
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Dale
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| 12/27/2022 06:44 AM |
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| OC, it looks like Eddy Merckx might have hacked your account. |
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Dale
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| 12/27/2022 06:48 AM |
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Perhaps instead of a specific term you might go with something like “just one more in a long list of sub-par heir apparents” Although that sounds a bit formulaic and trite but you get the gist of it.
Expecting the average Joe to get the insider lingo of cyclings bizarre idioms might be problematic. |
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smokey52
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| 12/27/2022 08:09 AM |
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| How about using the phrase in your original post, but drop the French: "most promising cyclist today" ? |
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huckleberry
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| 12/27/2022 08:10 AM |
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| The rider in question is very good - just a young, egotistical, pampered dick... A 21 year old narcissistic Lance mixed with a bit of David Millar's fashionista fetish. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/27/2022 03:03 PM |
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| Golden Boy is a Japanese porn star is what the internet tells me. Eddy would approve. |
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huckleberry
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| 12/27/2022 03:54 PM |
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| Golden Boy is how 45 spent most of his time in Moscow... |
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huckleberry
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| 12/27/2022 03:57 PM |
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OC...
Just Google: Cycling's Golden Boy
Plenty of results showing the overuse of the term. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/27/2022 05:16 PM |
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Ok when I google that it mostly seems to be overused in British tabloids (that for the most part don’t know anything about cycling but maybe that’s the point, explaining cycling to an unappreciative audience). It’s also not a very cycling specific term. I mean Bill Gates is listed as a golden boy. Just a generic term borrowed for cycling.
In Dutch I first arrived at Goudhaantje which translates as Goldcrest (the tiny bird) but again pretty generic and not cycling specifically.
The one that struck home as cycling specific is “Klepper “. Hadn’t come across that in ages but it means someone who’s a much better cyclist than most. It would translate as “Cracker” as in he’s a hell of a cracker (success, bestseller, hit). As a case in point there’s a ton of bike clubs calling themselves De Kleppers. |
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longslowdistance
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| 12/27/2022 06:36 PM |
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| Klepper to a native English speaker sounds like a social disease. . . In the US, Cracker is a well worn term for a white bubba racist. . Remco is a klepper cracker? He needs antibiotics and sensitivity training. .. .
The ambiguity of the English language is a wonderful gift (thank you Shakespeare) and a burden/ potential minefield frequently monitored by the self appointed social police. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/27/2022 07:07 PM |
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A diseased racist versus someone you’d expect to encounter glued to the dance pole at a stripper joint.
Such is the public relations glamour of pro cycling. Guess this is what happens when you wear Lycra. (Your expected pronunciation of Klepper is off by a significant degree though LSD). |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/28/2022 11:14 AM |
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| for gender equity purposes, how are we going to call promising female talent? Golden Girls? They already made a sitcom about this lol. |
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longslowdistance
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| 12/28/2022 07:48 PM |
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| Hey OC, help me out. We are on a North American Engish language forum and IIUC you feel I misunderstood a non English term. OK. How should it be pronounced, and would that make it less likely to sound like a social disease to a native English speaker in the US or Canada? Of course I was snarky joking, but still, if I call someone a Cracker, or even a Klepper here, that's potentially loaded, Euro pronunciations and/or connotations not withstanding. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/28/2022 07:57 PM |
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LSD - I assume you were referring to the clap.
But the e in Kleppers sounds more like the e in Kleptocracy. A considerable different sound at least to me. |
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longslowdistance
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| 12/28/2022 08:05 PM |
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Thanks. I get your point. Still, "klepper" sounds somehow unwholesome and potentially infectious to this native north american English speaker. Maybe leprosy, who knows. (yes this is ignorance)
Anyway, back to the OP, my point was there are some terms that have too much downside, at least here, that they are are a bad option.
As for Remco, I hope the antibiotics work.
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