summer in Vermont
Last Post 01/20/2014 10:45 AM by trener1 .. 22 Replies.
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smokey52

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01/12/2014 01:04 PM
My niece is getting married in Barton, VT in August. Any suggestions for rides? I tend to road, but some brothers prefer mountain. I could rent or branch out and buy another bike. Is cross with 38mm workable instead of mtn?
jrt1045

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01/12/2014 01:55 PM
It's the best week of the year, summer in Vermont that is

Badump bump
vtguy

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01/12/2014 04:19 PM
What a beautifully part of the state !! Great mountain biking on the Kingdom Trails in East Burke which is about a half hour from Barton. The local shop has (good) rentals -- they do a lot of tourist business -- especially from Canada. Trails range from beginner level to down right gnarly. It's worth the trip. For road cycling, just about any ride in that part of the state is scenic and lightly trafficked. Not sure about road rentals in Barton, but check online. Have fun!
longslowdistance

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01/12/2014 04:27 PM
Congratulations to you niece!
In addition to the vast Kingdom Trails network, there are newer/growing networks near Craftsbury, Waterville, and Barre. The latter is good when it's muddy (which it often is up there). Bottom line: Kingdom Trails is just great, and close to Barton - go there.
thinline

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01/13/2014 12:51 PM
I don't mountain bike but the Kingdom Trails get rave reviews. I can confirm vtguy's comment on road routes up there being scenic and lightly trafficed. I can't recall the route numbers but head east out Crystal Lake State Park (right on edge of Barton village) to Lake Willoughby, then north towards the Canadian border towards Derby, southeast through Morgan down to I think it's Route 114, to Island Pond, continue 114 to intersection with Route 5 just north of Lyndonville, take Route 5 north to West Burke, then bear right onto 5A back to Lake Willoughby and at the north end of the lake turn left and it will take you back to the state park where you started. That would be a 100 miler or so and check a map for details.

Option 2, head north out of Barton on Route 5 towards Orleans, left on Route 58 to Irasburg, left on 14 all the way to intersection with Route 15, turn left, pedal through and out the other side of Hardwick and a few miles out of town turn left onto Route 16 and take 16 all the way back to Barton (about 60-65 miles total if memory serves). If you want to make this one longer with a nasty climb, don't turn left at Irasburg, continue on Route 58 towards Lowell and Route 100. Steep mutha of a climb. Turn left on Route 100 in Lowell, continue south for quite a ways until Route 15, then left on 15 and continue as before, through Hardwick etc. A couple miles of "meh" pavement when you turn onto 15 until you get past Morrisville. Not sure the distance on this one but it would be long for sure.

Have fun.

Have fun!
thinline

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01/13/2014 12:51 PM
Vermont weather, 6 months of winter followed by 6 months of crappy sledding.
smokey52

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01/13/2014 03:04 PM
thanks ! Now I have to decide if I want to rent a mtn bike to ride with siblings, bring my road bike and stay off the trails, or buy another bike.
trener1

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01/16/2014 12:39 PM
I came across this thread as I was looking at the news on the home page, and I registered just so that I could reply.
First off like others have already mentioned, the riding in that area is downright fantastic.
Let me ask you this, how many days will you have to ride while you are up there? is it just one or will have multiple days?.

smokey52

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01/16/2014 06:01 PM
trener1:
We're renting a lodge and making a week of it.
79pmooney

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01/16/2014 07:54 PM
You might want to incorporate the old Stowe race into you ride. Stowe is about 40 miles SW of Barton. The Stowe loop we used to race was 45 miles and included Smuggler's Notch, 1400' higher than the start in Stowe.

The race goes NW from Stowe up 108, over the Notch, down a killer descent to Jefferson and Cambridge Junction. Turn right/E on 15. Take a right/SE onto a secondary road just before Johnson (6 miles after Cambridge Junction). This road roughly parallels 15. In 7-8 miles turn right/SE one mile before Morristown. This road parallels 100. You will do 3 significant hills then drop onto the finishing flat before Stowe.

I would suggest starting this loop from Morristown (close to 15 and 100) if you are coming from Barton.

I rode the Stowe race twice. Beautiful countryside. Smuggler's Notch is a tough SOB. For the descent the tip was to only brake for the first two turns. Did that both times, but it was hairy! Our pace car, a local cop, had to do 60 to stay with us.

Ben
smokey52

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01/16/2014 08:07 PM
Ben,
Thanks, that sounds like fun. The niece lives in Hardwick, not far off the route.
trener1

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01/16/2014 10:54 PM
Hey Smoky,

 If you are going to be there for a week and have a few days that you can ride then by all means you should do both.
How many days do you think you will be able to ride?.
Like others have already said, the Kingdom trails are fantastic and a must do if you are into MTB at all, the shop in East Burke rents some really sweet mt bikes, so no need to buy one or take one with you.
I live near NY City and have been up there more then a half dozen times, and it's totally worth the drive, my favorite place to ride, you can ride there for 3-4 days 5 hours each day and not cover all of the trails but you should at least hit it once and if you like it hit it for a 2nd day.

The road riding up there is also great, lots of roads and few cars, basically you can just look at a map and draw a loop and you are pretty much going to get in some solid riding (I hope you like to climb).
If you get to RT 242 that goes up to Jay Peak that's a pretty sweet climb, though it looks like it's a bit of haul from Barton.
I have a PDF with lots of loops for that area, if your interested I can get it to you.
smokey52

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01/17/2014 05:58 AM
Thanks trener1. Where near NYC? I live in the Hudson Valley in Orange County. The riding here is pretty good, so I don't usually travel just to bike, but when I do travel, I like to bring the bike and take advantage of the riding opportunities. I appreciate your offer of the .pdf. My email is pastelmj@yahoo.com . (I got ribbed for including my email in a previous post.)
smokey
vtguy

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01/17/2014 06:47 AM
Ditto on the old Stowe Race loop. It's been years since I raced it and stil remember some guys from Colombia showing up with straight blocks and having to walk part of the Smuggler's Notch climb.
longslowdistance

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01/17/2014 07:59 AM
One caveat about the Stowe road race loop. The traffic much heavier more than it was back in the day. And the Rt. 15 part has always been hot and tedious, plus large trucks.
trener1

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01/17/2014 11:18 AM
Smokey.
Indeed the riding around Orange County is really good, I actually go up there to ride often.
I was referring more to the Kingdom trails then the road riding, however the road riding up there in VT is really nice as well, and I think better then OC, not saying it's worth the 7 hour drive, but if you are already up there, you might as well ride.
I am in Brooklyn.
longslowdistance

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01/17/2014 03:02 PM
Ditto Orange County. Strafford, tunbridge vershire, Newbury, Chelsea, etc. just gorgeous on two wheels. But you likely will be satisfied with the Kingdom trails. Remember that the west side of,the network is an esker, lots of sand, so drains better when wet. The east side is more epic. Lot of slimy roots.
79pmooney

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01/17/2014 04:25 PM
vtguy, when I raced it in '78 as a 3, I remember passing 2s who started 2 minutes ahead of us. They were weaving back and forth, using the whole road. Our pace car, that local cop, was trapped behind him. My moment of glory: leading the race and passing the pace car!

In '77, David Lamb, a junior, caught us 3 & 4s, then lead us up the Notch riding a (Florida) 15-19 block.

Ben
Orange Crush

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01/17/2014 04:36 PM
Posted By trener1 . on 01/17/2014 11:18 AM
Smokey.
VT is really nice as well, and I think better then OC, not saying


Nothing beats OC Orange Crush
smokey52

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01/19/2014 11:44 AM
mtn bike choices?
(not that I am making plans, just thinking about it for now)
29?
26?
cross?
what are the advantages/limitations of each?
smokey
vtguy

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01/19/2014 04:13 PM
Most of my riding on the Kingdom Trails has been on a 29er hard tail and it worked fine. Any deficiencies are mine and not my bike's. That said, there are always a few sections where I miss my Fat Chance Yo Eddy-- it was just more agile. I rode my cross bike once on some of the easier trails and it was a lot of fun. As long as you have two wheels, it's impossible not to have a good time.
longslowdistance

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01/20/2014 06:51 AM
The trail tread is so variable, with long smooth bits suitable for a cross bike mostly on the west side, and root fests on both sides. Any bike with a good fork will. I'm a sit and spin type rider and have been been happiest with a 29er dualie.
trener1

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01/20/2014 10:45 AM
Id say by all means a 29er Hard tail would be the best weapon for those trails.


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