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jrt1045

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09/19/2013 12:01 PM
slippery answers in an "interview" with Daniel Benson. Odd conversation(s). Don't be surprised if no one signs him for 2014 http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/is-chris-horner-a-redacted-name-in-usadas-reasoned-decision
jmdirt

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09/19/2013 02:28 PM
I can't decide if it was slippery answers or his dislike of Benson. if he has similar answers with another reporter...
SideBySide

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09/19/2013 03:23 PM
If he called me immediately after I got home from winning the Vuelta, and only wanted to talk about doping, I'd be pretty short with him too. You want me to comment on something someone else said, about something that is redacted? Go talk to him about it.
jrt1045

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09/19/2013 04:12 PM
last interaction wasn't so bad.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/exclusive-interview-chris-horner-on-his-career-armstrong-and-pro-cycling

is the onus on Horner to develop the belief that he isn't juiced to the gills or is it just the collective problem of fans that have burned too many times to "just trust" him? If the guy wants a job next year you would think he would address something like this head on. Instead we get a page from the back of the Livestrong handbook with a dash of take the money and run

The issue will continue to dog him if he continues to treat journalists like this and allow the Radio Shack pr flacks to pile on their wierdness
CERV

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09/19/2013 04:37 PM
Posted By j t on 09/19/2013 04:12 PM
last interaction wasn't so bad.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/exclusive-interview-chris-horner-on-his-career-armstrong-and-pro-cycling

is the onus on Horner to develop the belief that he isn't juiced to the gills or is it just the collective problem of fans that have burned too many times to "just trust" him? If the guy wants a job next year you would think he would address something like this head on. Instead we get a page from the back of the Livestrong handbook with a dash of take the money and run

The issue will continue to dog him if he continues to treat journalists like this and allow the Radio Shack pr flacks to pile on their wierdness


Cyclingnews has become pretty lame. Seeing them going after Horner like that after the free pass they gave Froome's performance during the tour is pretty funny. Not saying anyone should believe Horner any more than Froome, just noting how obvious the Cyclingnews bias to british cycling has become. I suppose there's always velonews if you want the American bias.....
mahoba

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09/19/2013 05:17 PM
I've learned to just wait and hear what Lemond says about the situation.
Entheo

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09/19/2013 06:10 PM
Posted By j t on 09/19/2013 12:01 PM
slippery answers in an "interview" with Daniel Benson. Odd conversation(s). Don't be surprised if no one signs him for 2014 http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/is-chris-horner-a-redacted-name-in-usadas-reasoned-decision


he just won a grand tour and he doesn't expect to have some skeletons dragged out of the closet? for sure he's rider 15 in levi's deposition. they were on astana together in 08, and levi refers to 'rider 15' telling him he had taken EPO in 05 to recover from an injury before taking stage 6 at the tour de suisse. just so happens chris horner did the same thing. i swear this is why klodi doesn't get results anymore... he wants to quietly finish his career without microphones in his face.
Orange Crush

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09/19/2013 06:37 PM
"...and certainly there's a problem with sports and I don't want to say problems with cycling because you turn on television and the news lady has had botox and you wonder if she got the job over a woman with a few wrinkles..."
Cosmic Kid

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09/19/2013 06:47 PM
When getting Botox is declared as being against the rules of being on TV, he'll have a point. Until then.....not so much.

Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Orange Crush

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09/19/2013 07:42 PM
/funny caps was not evident?

I don't know what he was getting at most of the interview but that sentence made me chuckle a little.
jmdirt

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09/19/2013 10:17 PM
Entheo, did you get: "for sure he's rider 15 in Levi's deposition. They were on Astana together in 08, and Levi refers to 'rider 15' telling him he had taken EPO in 05 to recover from an injury before taking stage 6 at the tour de Suisse. just so happens Chris Horner did the same thing." from the LA Confidential or off of the internet?

A lot of people have tossed it around that he is rider 15 but if that is the case, why wouldn't USADA give him the same meaningless punishment that they gave the others? Why would they let him slide? Even if he would have gotten the off season spanking, he would have been fine to race the Vuelta so it doesn't make much difference if he was rider 15. But, if he was rider 15 don't you think that he would be extra careful because he knows they are watching him? If they just missed him in the LA pile, wouldn't they hound him until they got him? I will repeat, I don't know what the guy does, doesn't do or has or hasn't done but the 'rider 15' theory just doesn't add up.
Entheo

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09/20/2013 07:03 AM
jmdirt, it's easy to add up --

here's levi's deposition: http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Leipheimer%2c+Levi%2c+Affidavit.pdf
here's horner's timeline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Horner

USADA had bigger fish to fry at the time, and although horner is incriminated for his own usage in levi's deposition horner & armstrong didn't share a team until 2009, which was in essence beyond the timeframe of the investigation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Postal_Service_Pro_Cycling_Team#Team_rosters
jmdirt

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09/20/2013 08:39 AM
"In 2008 rider 15 told me that he was using EPO to recover from an injury in 2005 before the TdS" adds up to CH? Levi trained with an international crew so it could have been any one of a number of riders (ie: Rebelin).

You added to LL's statement to help your math work out. LL said nothing about a stage win.

LA was the big fish, CH was the same size fish as the others who got wrist slaps.

If he is rider 15, what does that have to do with the price of tee in China? He doped in 2005. So did 95% of the platoon.
Entheo

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09/20/2013 10:13 AM
two americans who happened to also be friends on the 08 astana team; one of which was injured in early 2005 and went on to ride the TdS. like horner is going to share his drug habits with rebellin, who btw wasn't on the team, or any of the other foreign riders he was likely riding with for the first time.

never said LL said anything about the TdS stage win; simply added to the evidence re: EPO fueled comeback.

going back to my original reply re: the benson article -- the point is horner better get used to getting asked some tough questions after winning a grand tour at 41 3/4 years of age.

as KR would say,

jmdirt

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09/20/2013 11:02 AM
Rebelin and LL trained together not CH and Rebelin ("Levi trained with an international crew so it could have been any one of a number of riders (ie: Rebelin)"). Rebelin might have told LL about his dope use. You either didn't comprehend what I typed or you are spinning it.

I think that several of the "other" names are foreign riders/trainers/doctors that USADA has no jurisdiction over and/or have cases in their own countries. Nowhere does it say that rider 15 was his friend on the team. You are adding things to make the theory work. Here in-lies a problem: someone is going to read your conclusion that rider 15 was LL's mate on Astana and that becomes fact when in fact, it may not be fact.

C'mon Son indeed!

You still haven't answered "so what if he is rider 15...what does that have to do with the 2013 Vuelta?"

I agree with you that CH better get used to being asked questions when he rides well.
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