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"These medals belong to me. Anyone who wants to see them can come to my house"
Last Post 10/08/2013 11:57 AM by Orange Crush. 21 Replies.
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10/06/2013 06:05 PM
Posted By Neil hassan on 10/06/2013 07:22 AM
Posted By entheo genic on 10/06/2013 07:18 AM
i'm talking about ullrich here neibike, not armstrong. let's not mix apples & oranges.

Armstrong, Ullrich; they're all rotten apples to me. Not quite ready to join the Apologists club run...

gotta love it; a guy with 4 posts implying i'm an apologist... that's a good one. cabron = MFr in espanol
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10/06/2013 09:42 PM
I was joshin' about the religious zeal. I don't think asking someone t accept the consequences of their actions equates to religious zealotry. Like you say, if we ask our kids to do it, we can ask grown ups to do it too.


10/06/2013 11:41 PM
What do say to organizing a cyclosportif to Jan's house to see his medals? We can perhaps lure him out with an offering of snacky cakes?
Ride On


10/07/2013 06:24 AM
Asking someone else to do something should never be confused with actually doing something yourself.

Telling someone to tell his wife he is cheating on her, is very easy to do. Makes you feel kind of good. Doing the right thing and all. Actually telling your wife you are cheating on her, another story all together.

It's best just to not cheat on her in the first place, but temptation has been around a really long time.


10/07/2013 08:30 AM
der kaiser is far from in hiding; he writes a blog for euro sports (a good one too), has a bunch of sponsorship deals in europe, and is constantly doing rides for charity and what-not (just 'like' his FB page to keep up). as i said before, he really did go thru hell personally, accepted his punishment(s), did an elegant mea culpa years ago, and has moved on and seems to be very happy with his life now.

we seem to fail to remember that USADA offered armstrong lots of opportunities to come clean, and possibly keep his titles in exchange... but he refused. he did have the most to lose, and by rolling the dice in an all or nothing play, he came up with snake eyes.


10/08/2013 09:32 AM
The LA mess changed my outlook on professional cycling far more than it changed my opinion of LA himself. The shear depth and complexity of the cheating and the laissez-faire attitude of the cyclists involved is mind boggling.

It's clear to me that anyone involved in the sport during those years was either doping or acutely aware of doping but remained silent (almost as bad in my book).

Going after jerseys and medals won during those dark years seems like trying to put the milk back in the bottle. Sure, you can do it, it's messy and time consuming, but what's the point?
Orange Crush


10/08/2013 11:57 AM
I don't know about this Ullrich coming clean better thing. He was just a nicer guy...that's all.
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