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79pmooney

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10/30/2013 11:39 AM
Bjarne Riis had no idea Rasmussen was doping?

Much as I do not care for Rasmussen, his claim that the his team doctors sat down with UCI doctor to discuss his very low reticulocyte levels during the '05 Tour sounds very believable  The team's sponsor was Rabbobank, the biggest sponsor in the pro ranks.  It was decided to let those test results slide.

Rasmussen's claims againts Riis, UCI and others:  http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15733/Rasmussen-makes-doping-claims-against-Hesjedal-Sorensen-Hj-and-others.aspx

Saxo Bank's endorsement of Riis given those claims:  http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15736/Saxo-Bank-gives-its-backing-to-Riis-following-Rasmussen-allegations.aspx

Ben
stronz

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10/30/2013 12:36 PM
I dunno -- I'm kind of tired of liars implicating others when they "come clean." Does anyone find anything Chicken says implausable? no. we know everyone who made any kind of noise in the pro ranks in the 90s and 2000's used something illegal at some point. Riis included -- as he himself fessed up. The sport was filthy dirty and to some extent still is undoubtedly. Still I find Rasmussen's ratting out others distasteful and easily ignored.
79pmooney

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10/30/2013 02:45 PM
It's not Rassmussen's accusations that caught my attention, it was the statement backing the team of Bjarne Riis by Saxo Bank. If he is indeed right, 1) shame on Saxo Bank and 2) the ONLY proper words coming out of those implicated's mouths beside confession are NO WORDS AT ALL. Anything else is a lie.

Ben
longslowdistance

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10/30/2013 03:31 PM
What's Implausible?
What's implausible to me is that anyone anywhere near the front end of a pro race since the early 90s is clean. If the whole truth ever comes out, the purists won't have enough bonfires to burn all the evil doers.
Keith Richards

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10/30/2013 03:49 PM
What is a "cycling purist"...a fan with no historical knowledge of the sport.
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
stinkyhelmet

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10/30/2013 04:05 PM
Looks like Ryder has come clean. http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/10/news/cycling-canada-concerned-about-hesjedal-doping-allegations_306627
longslowdistance

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10/30/2013 04:28 PM
KR, I was referring to the *antidoping* purists, who see all forms of doping as equivalently wrong ("cheating is cheating"), and feel that all riders who doped should be equivalently punished (harshly).
jrt1045

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10/30/2013 04:40 PM
just because they did it then doesn't make it "OK" now. Didn't your parents have this conversation with you long ago? It went a little something like this - If everyone else is jumping off a bridge it doesn't mean that you have to do it, too

bring me my torch and pitchfork. FWIW, this is just another partial confession with the details/timeline and whatnot manipulated just enough so as to best contain the damage. This convenient manipulating the facts is just as bad as the offense

as far as Barnie is concerned, they should ban him from the sport. Its funny how many trails run right back to him
Entheo

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10/30/2013 10:13 PM
and in other news, water was discovered off the coast of hawaii.
stronz

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10/31/2013 08:35 AM
evidence that criminal activity and extremely poor judgement is still rife in the peleton -- look no further. But be prepared to be mortified.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gallery-pro-tour-pin-ups-calendar
Keith Richards

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10/31/2013 12:12 PM
Well Ryder came "Stuey O'Grady" clean. Ahh, dinner and a show. I love it.

Link
Hesjedal admits to doping ten years ago, says he only did it once and didn't inhale.

Bjarne was on Gewiss with Berzin. I mean, everybody in the sport knows how they rolled. If the people in charge were going to keep him out of the sport, that chance went past LONG ago jrt1045.

I keep saying, you can enjoy the sport the same way American football fans enjoy theirs; warts and all or not. The choice is yours. But bike racing is what it is my brother.
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
Dale

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10/31/2013 12:48 PM
Gewiss/ Ballan… dope central, but dayum their kits were cool!
stinkyhelmet

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10/31/2013 01:38 PM
Gewiss & Berzin! Remember the Fleche Wallone (1995?) when Berzin, Argentin, and someone else (all Gewiss) team trialed the last 50 km to finish 1-2-3? They rode with the strength of 10 men and were probably on those bada$$ Campy Shamals...all nice and shiny.
Dale

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10/31/2013 02:11 PM
1994 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3rZphEtzSM
Cosmic Kid

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10/31/2013 02:52 PM
Actually, Keith, Ryder testified and confessed during the LA uSADA case. This is nothing like O'Grady's confession / retirement.

I see no reason why he had to make his confession public unless he chose to. The authorities knew about it already.

Also, IIRC, Vaughters outed him in one of his CN posts, along with some of the other Garmin guys.
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