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Master's doping
Last Post 01/06/2014 11:22 AM by Evgeni Berzin. 28 Replies.
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Cosmic Kid

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12/30/2013 09:35 PM
I don't know about a "lot of resources". Sounds like he got popped at Nationals with in competition testing. You'd like to think that they test at nationals.....

But what a douchenozzle....enjoy your ban, Leduc.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
79pmooney

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12/31/2013 01:19 AM
The article doesn't say how he placed. But it did say he forfeits results and placings from that day, suggesting he podiumed. So you enter a competition that does drug testing on EPO, amphetamines and anabolic steroids, place and get popped? Not much sympathy here.

Edit: not as smart as one LA.  LA would have realized he was going to podium and be tested and dropped out.

Ben

6ix

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12/31/2013 09:34 AM
LeDuc kinda made it obvious. He'd line up at the very back of the field, wait until there are approximately 10 laps to go, then charge to the front and kill everyone. And this was the Cat 1/2 field! Plus, he always rode with his hands on the hoods no matter how fast he was going. Thought that was weird.

Anyhow, I'd like to think that everyone racing against him "knew" what was up but since there wasn't any formal testing, what was the risk?

I quit racing here in the Carolina's about 6 years ago. At the time, this guy and one of my former teammates (Masters 30+ road and TT champion) were hammering the fields. Now both of them have been busted. Just goes to show the level of competition in this region. Wish I could have raced them when they weren't on jet fuel. Would have made things a bit more even.
longslowdistance

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12/31/2013 09:39 AM
Thinking about "riding on the hoods" + an old guy. This may be as low as he could get if he has some hip or neck arthritis. My bars keep getting higher and higher, it's not my fault and it's slowing me down. That's not fair, so I should feel entitled to some compensation, you know, just a little PED help.
Cosmic Kid

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12/31/2013 10:59 AM
Actually, riding on the hoods can be the most aero position....and without sacrificing power (wattage tends to dip in the drops a bit, or HR goes up).

Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
The Short White Guy™

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12/31/2013 05:24 PM
No doubt there, 6ix.

I saw his name and chuckled...rode with him on a few training rides several years ago. I just assumed it was all us old guys who were fast and them whipper snappers needed to juice.
79pmooney

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12/31/2013 09:29 PM
Riding on the hoods.... Some of us old guys were taught to ride in the drops anytime the road was iffy or we might get bumped by another rider. Fewer crashes. Fewer crashes meant less lost riding time and hence, better races.

I ride in the drops a lot. Now, I don't have them as low as I used to but they are further forward and my arm extension and back lean isn't much different. That I can still do it I credit more to never stopping riding and never stopping using the drops. (Look at my photo. That wasn't staged. I didn't even know it was being taken.)

Ben
79pmooney

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12/31/2013 09:40 PM
Master's doping and the new WADA hair test.

And the new hair product/treatment? Balding agents/procedures to achieve a distinguished look. You heard it here first.

Ben
Master50

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01/01/2014 01:42 PM
Doping is what happens at a lot of aging clinics too. T, HGH, and even EPO are being used to improve senior's health.
Returned vigour, strength, muscle tone, bone density, etc. These drugs are also being used to extend the vitality of older people. This creates a paradigm problem. If these were not also competitors their doping might be considered good geriatric medicine.
On a personal note, I would not exclude any of these drugs as I get older for other than race performance but is it cheating if it helps me keep up on a club ride? Doping for seniors is way more complicated than for the Pros. I imagine the seniors problem will be the worst by far as the doping helps cope with all the pitfalls of getting old. And then there are EGOS.
Ride On

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01/02/2014 09:40 AM
Ok I get it cycling is testing your average Joe, not just pros. Yippie good for us.

Are other sports doing the same ? Does the NBA test guys in your average 3 on 3 tournament ? I sure hope not. Does the golf club have the guys pee in a cup after 18 holes. Would your local tennis club even know where to send test to? Name me a sport other than cycling where they test armatures . Testing people at a Grand Fondo ride/race. Come on, that is just silly.

The point is, at an amateur level shouldn't the sport be about just doing it, having fun with it, keep active. Who cares who really wins and looses. It certainly is not a money thing. Sure we want it to be fair, blah, blah blah. Take the time and money being spent on testing amateurs and test the pros or better yet promote the dam sport for a change. Buy some kids bikes and give them away at Christmas. That would be money better spent than testing some 62yr old dude.

All you former low T guys who now need an outlet, come on cycling is a great place to be. Cycling leaders quit trying to chase them away. Welcome them. Cycling is the best outlet for those raging old bulls. Golf ha, Tennis no thanks. Running, not enough contact. Triathlon ? To much work. What do you want them to do with their new T in a bottle, have sex all the time ?

Cycling has pretty women. Cycling has contact. Cycling has guys you can grunt with. Cycling is the perfect sport for all the guys on T boosting prescriptions. I say bring them on board and stop chasing them away. They will help fuel the sport, and they've got $$$$ to spend.

Cosmic Kid

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01/02/2014 12:13 PM
I really struggle with the idea of testing for Masters (or Age Groupers in triathlon). Look, if some guy has low T (real or just perceived by some hack doc) and he is a MOP guy, I really don't give a rat's patootie if he takes T.

And I guess to some degree, I don't care all that much if some guy wins the local office park crit and is using T, although it would bug me.

But when you get to events like Nationals or triathlons where Kona slots are on the line, then yeah, I care. But even if you are testing there, the reality is that the doping regimen is long done by the competition date, and unless you are a complete bozo, you won't get caught.

I dunno.....it is an "easier" answer for the Pros, but much tougher when it comes to recreational competition. And the reality is that this going to become a HUGE issue in a very short time and USADA and the governing bodies better come up with a plan.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
gobuck

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01/03/2014 02:57 PM
Ledooshe stole a leaders jersey from me a while back. With the help of the entire 40+ field we took the stage race from him.
Once a doper always a doper!
Dale

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01/03/2014 11:18 PM
Told a buddy of mine that if I won the lottery one of the things I'd do is go to Dana Point and Tulsa Tough and fund full drug test for the entire field… Masters, Juniors, Cat 5's, Pros. Every pees in a cup. Then I'd show up at some other race and at the start line announce that there would be full testing again and make a note of who pulls off their number and heads home.
Berzin

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01/06/2014 11:22 AM
I've been yakking about doping in the amateur ranks for years. It may not be rampant, but the tell-tale signs for certain individuals have always been obvious. The responses on the old Velonews forum were always the same.

It was about how guys with disposable incomes could afford better nutrition, training, coaching, and equipment. And oh, they just work harder, so I was bitter that I didn't have the requisite talent and attitude, and that I was jealous about getting smoked by guys who were just better than me.

No one gets that much faster as they get older without PED's. The only people who believe this are the ones who want to shout down the truth.
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