The Killer -> positive
Last Post 05/25/2013 09:06 AM by entheo genic. 26 Replies.
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pikeHillRoad

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05/24/2013 07:22 AM
DiLuca positive again. Kicked out of Giro, sacked by team. Is the lifetime Ban that far off? I think his manager hit it on the head: "The guy needs treatment" He ought to open a bar and hire Ricardo Ricco...
Entheo

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05/24/2013 07:46 AM
i thought it was an old story that accidentally circulated to the top. deja vu all over again.

time for the killer to open a bike shop or a meth lab, whichever he's most qualified to do.
The Short White Guy™

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05/24/2013 07:50 AM
...shaking head...

Some guys don't (in his case, Do) get it.
billygoat

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05/24/2013 08:24 AM
I laughed out loud when I read the news. Not surprised at all...especially when I read in Cyclingnews that he only had two days of racing in his legs before the Giro..
canucklehead

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05/24/2013 08:30 AM
this giro is extremely dirty me thinks... visconti is next, then scarponi and then neeee-ballll-leeeee....
Keith Richards

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05/24/2013 08:32 AM
Dude!!!!!!!
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
Keith Richards

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05/24/2013 08:37 AM


I mentioned earlier in the race that I was surprised he was still active considering his age and um...prior convictions.
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
canucklehead

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05/24/2013 08:41 AM
paging Levi paging Levi Leipheimer...there's an opening on Vini Fantini Selle Italia that you may wish to apply for...
jmdirt

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05/24/2013 08:53 AM
These old dopers only know how to train/race loaded. They can't go back to being donkeys once they've done a few laps on the race track.
Inferno7

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05/24/2013 09:50 AM
Looks like the killer killed his career, oh well it would have never happened without EPO so nothing ventured nothing gained. As long as he doesn't spew bs like "we like our side, or blahblahblah".
Ussi Lumi

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05/24/2013 09:57 AM
The costs of doping must greatly exceed the benefits. And not just for old school dopers that are stupid enough to be caught time after time. First offense should be a multi year suspension, fines and paying recompense to their team. Second offense must be lifetime ban.

The Doping Curmudgeon
The Short White Guy™

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05/24/2013 10:18 AM
From @lancearmstrong: Knowing I have 0 cred on the doping issue - I still can't help but think, "really Di Luca? Are you that fooking stupid??"

Yup!
Orange Crush

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05/24/2013 10:21 AM
Posted By pike HillRoad on 05/24/2013 07:22 AM
He ought to open a bar and hire Ricardo Ricco...

Yup
Oldfart

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05/24/2013 10:24 AM
I work with a woman who won silver in rowing in LA. World Chapionship medals. She holds her hands apart "we lost by that much" to them. East Germans. Never got to hear our national anthem. Robbed.

Maybe the killer should Judy change his nick name. Contest! Come up with the new diluca nick name. "The Turd"? No one can say that they are surprised. Maybe the peloton, the clean portion which I think is now the majority, should start taking matters into their own hands. Sit down strike at the start until the turds are ejected. Maybe certain riders start crashing a lot. Oh and the penalty for a first doping offence in rowing? Anyone? Lifetime ban.
Orange Crush

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05/24/2013 10:46 AM
Posted By Andy Eunson on 05/24/2013 10:24 AM
Oh and the penalty for a first doping offence in rowing? Anyone? Lifetime ban.

Ah yes, rowing, such as nice sport.

Banned Austrian biathlon and cross-country coach Walter Mayer, Stefan Matschiner, the former manager of disgraced cyclist Bernhard Kohl, and Martin Kessler, a rowing coach, were those at the heart of the doping network that used Humanplasma’s facilities between 2003 and 2006, the laboratory said in a statement.

The laboratory said it was first approached in 2003 by Mayer and Kessler, who insisted that blood doping was “completely legal and a widespread practice for a long time.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/03/news/vienna-lab-names-brains-behind-austrian-doping-network_106686

Cycling is the one sport that seems to attracts the crazies like Rico and deLuca that make the big headline though
stronz

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05/24/2013 10:49 AM
canuck I think is right. I just cant accept that Nibali is that much better than everybody. He made a remark that indicates he has bought into his own koolaide -- said that he was generally good at uphill timetrials and referenced the Plan de corones climb in 08. Said he had finished fourth. Only he had finished 18th. I dont think its normal to get that wrong. I think he is dirty.
Entheo

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05/24/2013 10:54 AM
Posted By Doug Sheppard on 05/24/2013 10:18 AM
From @lancearmstrong: Knowing I have 0 cred on the doping issue - I still can't help but think, "really Di Luca? Are you that fooking stupid??"

Yup!


that's legit -- i checked it on twitter. interesting how lance is starting to reemerge. he evidently also had a conversation with patrick o'grady at red kite prayer.
PlanB

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05/24/2013 01:14 PM
Me three. Looking at Nibali day after day I find myself, erm, bemused. To me, this is not a normal-looking performance. To cast suspicion on, let alone condemn, someone without evidence feels uncomfortable, but this is weird riding and doesn't resemble any cycle racing that I'm familiar with.
BobGolden

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05/24/2013 01:16 PM
It's hard to even label it as "news", just another day in the life of the "killer." Like KR and many others, the news to me was that anyone would give him a ride.
pikeHillRoad

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05/24/2013 01:55 PM
Hey PlanB - Aside from the TT, what strikes you as weird riding? Nibali seems super strong, but is there anything in how he is approaching the racing that hits you? really I am just curious. I personally cannot recall him ever be this strong on a sustained basis.
jmdirt

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05/24/2013 03:00 PM
Entheo, do you have a link for that? I can only find this open letter from Pat to LA:
http://redkiteprayer.com/tag/lance-armstrong/ (scroll down pas the lycra blurp)
PlanB

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05/24/2013 03:39 PM
The hardest element, arguably, in cycling is rhythm change. It's the last piece of the conditioning puzzle to fall into place, and it usually doesn't happen at all without racing, where rhythms are naturally stochastic and violent in a way that is elusive in training. But even at the point of peak form, it's the element that is most vulnerable because so much glycogen is deployed in those explosive moments. Starch replenishment being notoriously difficult in stage racing, ten days into it you're starting to go into a glycogen and substrate deficit. On each successive day, a little less is available for that stage. Being very careful and very judicious with efforts that exceed sustainable, steady, oxidative thresholds merely delays the onset of that baseline deficit. So you may see climbers, say, going well in the second and third weeks if, and only if, they have been protected from violent activity beforehand.

What's weird-looking to me about Nibali is that his efforts, his heavy accelerations as well as his responses to those of others, day after day, don't seem to be of the slightest concern to him. There's no husbanding of energy here. There's no sense of playing anything safely, waiting for others to undo damage from attacks and so forth. The fittest 'natural' rider in a Grand Tour, however great his talent, shouldn't be able to do this, these big detonations, on more than two or three occasions in the whole race. But pretty much every day, Nibali's riding has looked to me like what a clean classics guy can just barely manage on a single Sunday.

And, yeah, that time trial ...
Entheo

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05/24/2013 03:47 PM
Posted By Justin jmdirt on 05/24/2013 03:00 PM
Entheo, do you have a link for that? I can only find this open letter from Pat to LA:
http://redkiteprayer.com/tag/lance-armstrong/ (scroll down pas the lycra blurp)


the conversation is referenced on lance's twitter feed. go to twitter and search for @lancearmstrong
Keith Richards

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05/24/2013 05:16 PM
I admit to being surprised about the extent to which people are distancing themselves. He is being totally thrown under the bus.
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
Keith Richards

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05/24/2013 07:05 PM
Robert Millar takes Danilo DiLuca to the woodshed FOR REAL.

OUCH!
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
pikeHillRoad

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05/24/2013 07:56 PM
PlanB thanks for the insight. It certainly rings right to me but I am pretty removed.
Entheo

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05/25/2013 09:06 AM
Posted By Brendan Frye on 05/24/2013 03:39 PM
The hardest element, arguably, in cycling is rhythm change. It's the last piece of the conditioning puzzle to fall into place, and it usually doesn't happen at all without racing, where rhythms are naturally stochastic and violent in a way that is elusive in training. But even at the point of peak form, it's the element that is most vulnerable because so much glycogen is deployed in those explosive moments. Starch replenishment being notoriously difficult in stage racing, ten days into it you're starting to go into a glycogen and substrate deficit. On each successive day, a little less is available for that stage. Being very careful and very judicious with efforts that exceed sustainable, steady, oxidative thresholds merely delays the onset of that baseline deficit. So you may see climbers, say, going well in the second and third weeks if, and only if, they have been protected from violent activity beforehand.

What's weird-looking to me about Nibali is that his efforts, his heavy accelerations as well as his responses to those of others, day after day, don't seem to be of the slightest concern to him. There's no husbanding of energy here. There's no sense of playing anything safely, waiting for others to undo damage from attacks and so forth. The fittest 'natural' rider in a Grand Tour, however great his talent, shouldn't be able to do this, these big detonations, on more than two or three occasions in the whole race. But pretty much every day, Nibali's riding has looked to me like what a clean classics guy can just barely manage on a single Sunday.

And, yeah, that time trial ...


i haven't had the luxury of witnessing any of the giro this year, so it's not possible for me to see what's fishy. however, roberto heras, in an interview many years ago, talked about the changes in rhythm being key to destroying your opponents on climbs. and he should know, fueled as he was by Edgar. only so many matches to burn, so if it looks like rasmussen/contador heaping multiple salvos on each other day after day, it's probably a duck.


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