huckleberry
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| 11/14/2022 03:55 PM |
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Let's hope it's a long-term trend. |
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longslowdistance
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| 11/14/2022 06:33 PM |
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Too soon to be sure, but the predictions of violence on this forum so far haven't been an issue. Maybe the widespread reporting of an impending MAGA wave kept the crazies' temperature lower.
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huckleberry
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| 11/15/2022 12:24 PM |
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| Definitely too soon, but I'm relieved with the outcome of the elections. A bit of renewed faith that my fellow citizens had not all lost their minds to another cult. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 11/15/2022 03:00 PM |
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Definitely too soon, but I'm relieved with the outcome of the elections
Take a short bit of recovery and get ready for the next interval....it is coming quickly.
My hope is now the GOP begins to tear itself apart....the more the Orange Buffoon feels usurped, the better the chances of that happening. |
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huckleberry
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| 11/15/2022 03:21 PM |
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"Take a short bit of recovery and get ready for the next interval....it is coming quickly."
Agreed. On all points.
The next fun should be the House trying to elect a Speaker ; ) |
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Orange Crush
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| 11/15/2022 06:27 PM |
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I'd say there hasn't been any outward directed anger or violence because there's nothing specific to coalesce around (like a presidency) and T just cares about himself. He's too busy eating crow.
Other than that, not much to celebrate. After a brief two year respite with some bills passed, for the next two years, legislative gridlock will be the name of game. The anger and frustration that comes with that is still the road to autocracy. Something more fundamental has to change to get off that road. |
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longslowdistance
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| 11/15/2022 08:48 PM |
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| Here’s one option: single primaries. Instead of separate party primaries, just one with everyone. Then a runoff of the top 2. Favors moderates, disfavors extremists. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/07/2022 09:31 AM |
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Big, big win last night....in addition to giving Dewms the outright majority in the Senate, it also lessens the influence the dual-idiots Manchin and Simena can wield over any legislative processes.
It is beyond my comprehension how that race was so tight....you had one candidate that was so manifestly unfit for office, it should have been a massive blowout even in these partisan times. Evangelicals lined up to support a man who was the very antithesis of everything they supposedly believe....not to mention he can not complete a single coherent sentence.
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huckleberry
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| 12/07/2022 03:14 PM |
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Yesterday was a good day for the U.S...
Disgusted at how close that race was - A majority of Georgia's white population just wanted a black token that would represent them politically in every way that a white whackjob Cracker would do - and Herschel fit that bill, despite his numerous blatant inadequacies.
AND... the Trump Organization guilty on all counts! Fantastic. Now let's get the fat boy and his spawn. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/07/2022 03:45 PM |
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. the Trump Organization guilty on all counts!
I'm so frustrated with that verdict...Trump or his spawn were never named personally, teh fine is going to be only ~$2M and nothing of consequence (once again) happens.
hell, he probably passed around the donation plate last night at Mar-A-Lago to collect in advance for their fine.
Just once, I want to see Trump personally held accountable for his crimes.
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longslowdistance
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| 12/07/2022 04:57 PM |
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| If this sticks, Trump-corp can be banned from doing business in New York, or something less severe but still very severe. The fine is just the beginning. |
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huckleberry
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| 12/07/2022 04:58 PM |
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"Just once, I want to see Trump personally held accountable for his crimes."
I gotta believe this is paving the way to those charges - otherwise, what's the point.
Yeah, despite what life has shown me in my many decades, I remain hopeful. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/08/2022 09:26 AM |
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If this sticks, Trump-corp can be banned from doing business in New York, or something less severe but still very severe.
Two key phrases - "if this sticks" and "can be".
Call me when it happens.....I doubt it will.
I gotta believe this is paving the way to those charges - otherwise, what's the point.
Peacocking, mostly. We lack the courage to do hard things anymore....
The reality is that Trump has never been held personally accountable for his actions before. To do so now will require the indictment, prosecution and conviction of a former President. We could even convict him of an impeachment as he was literally on the way out the door.
No way he ever faces an indictment on any of these charges, let alone prosecution. |
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huckleberry
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| 12/08/2022 10:25 AM |
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| Don't steal my dreams, CK ; ) |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/08/2022 11:23 AM |
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Nothing would make me happier for you to, one day, say to me "I told you so!"
😜😜 |
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huckleberry
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| 12/08/2022 11:54 AM |
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| I'd be so satisfied, there'd be no need ; ) |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/08/2022 12:12 PM |
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The track record on holding former presidents accountable isn't exactly stellar.
I mean, in a just world W and his crew would be held in solitary confinement in Guantanamo with a waterboarding session as daily exercise.
Still waiting on that one and more so that a Trump conviction to be honest. |
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Dale
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| 12/09/2022 08:43 AM |
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I doubt Trump will serve any time or really have any personal penalty to pay for this. Oh sure, his company and some minions will get slapped with prison time and have some financial penalties but for 45 to actually sit in jail? No chance.
Can you imagine the uproar and riots if he is handcuffed and perp walked?
This time his dog whistle would be heard loud and clear by everyone, not just his proud boys and Quidiots (tm), and January 6th will look like a picnic.
I think all those in position to indict and prosecute know the ramification and will let his humiliation serve as sufficient punishment. |
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huckleberry
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| 12/09/2022 10:09 AM |
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I don't think he'll get jail time for the Trump Org $4it, it's the half dozen other charges that those jail time possibilities will come from.
"I think all those in position to indict and prosecute know the ramification and will let his humiliation serve as sufficient punishment." - Dale
Now that would be bull$4it - cowardice - a travesty of justice to allow a bunch of brain dead Q'anon play 'soldiers' to dictate to our government and hence US, its citizens, how or if a piece of $4it like Trump should should be penalized for his traitorous acts.
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Orange Crush
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| 12/09/2022 10:53 AM |
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"Vice" turned out to be somewhat appropriate alternative punishment for Cheney, apparently it hit a nerve.
A similar deconstruction of T would most definitely hit home. Public humiliation is underrated. |
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Dale
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| 12/09/2022 12:26 PM |
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Huck, totally agree it would circumvent justice but if a full-blown insurrection is the consequence of 45 heading off to the pen then which is the worse outcome?
In a fair world Junior Bush, Rummy, Condi, McNamara, and many others would be cooling their heels in Leavenworth.
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huckleberry
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| 12/09/2022 01:28 PM |
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It's different to have leaders themselves avoid jail time, such as the criminals you listed, BUT TO LET a group of moronic braindead whackjobs dictate justice would be a bad precedent.
Just like Trump's election, that ability would empower/embolden them to do even more heinous acts.
It has to stop. There needs to be a unified front by the majority - the decent citizens of the U.S. and the courts to make a stand. Otherwise the absurdity and stupidity and all the cruelty that accompanies that won't stop, but continue to grow, exponentially. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/09/2022 02:53 PM |
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| The precedent set by letting past leadership crimes go unpunished is precisely why current convictions will be so hard to achieve. The scale has been sliding for a long time. The insistence of Obama to "look forward" was one of the key moments in that sliding scale. But fully agreed that at some point a red line will need to be drawn. But by whom? |
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Dale
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| 12/09/2022 03:42 PM |
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But fully agreed that at some point a red line will need to be drawn. But by whom?
Dunno... Peru perhaps? |
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longslowdistance
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| 12/09/2022 07:10 PM |
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Took me a moment to get that - good one!
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Orange Crush
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| 12/09/2022 07:48 PM |
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Yes, Peru.
Germany also drew a pretty strong line this week in case you missed it. |
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longslowdistance
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| 12/09/2022 08:04 PM |
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That Germany conspiracy was mainly weird - not minimizing the violence risk, but truly way out there in la la land.
The slow moving US court system convicted some hard core Trumpers of sedition last week related to the Jan 6 events - there is hope for us yet. OTOH, Trump attended a fundraiser for Jan 6 criminals . . . At least more and more Trump enablers are moving away from him - not because he is a dangerous whack job, rather just because he is a political liability. More and more is a lot less than most. Crazy times. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/09/2022 08:20 PM |
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| Yes Germany was weird to a large degree (although a military unit was involved) but that the thing about drawing strong lines in sand. You stamp it out when it’s still weird and before it becomes dangerous. I’m sure there was a time when we were still laughing about the Qanon and other crackpots. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/09/2022 08:44 PM |
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| Meanwhile here we’re trying to determine where the line in the sand should be. Is it illegal arms deals? Nope. Illegal war with couple hundred thousand dead? Nope. Assassination of a foreign head of state? Nope. Domestic insurrection? Ok wait, let’s think about this one. |
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Dale
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| 12/10/2022 07:11 AM |
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The line in the sand should have been Richard Nixon. Once a POTUS or ex POTUS spends time in prison subsequent office holders might have reservations about doing something illegal.
No more, “Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal, by definition.” |
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