stronz
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| 03/06/2014 08:40 AM |
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anyone know anything about these bikes? Friend of mine who is a shameless italophile is getting one. website doesnt really help much
http://www.biessecicli.it/ |
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Pin0Q0
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| 03/06/2014 09:49 AM |
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Tell him to go with an experienced established frame builder. Those guys have mega-bucks invested in research.
Can't get more Italian than this: http://colnago.com/c60-italia-2014/
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Master50
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| 03/06/2014 10:00 AM |
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| I have a C40 and a C50, why would I need a C 60? because I don't have one I suppose. |
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Oldfart
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| 03/06/2014 10:05 AM |
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| Because new master. Because new. |
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stronz
Posts:447
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| 03/06/2014 10:06 AM |
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| well I told him to get a GIANT with shimano DA -- pretty much the opposite of an italian pretty-boy bike (not that theres anything wrong with that) But if your a cyclist you should experience the butteriness of DA at least once in your life, imo. |
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79pmooney
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| 03/06/2014 12:01 PM |
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I know this is sacrilege, but isn't BiEsse pronounced "like BS" as in "BS'y"? I will have a very hard time not thinking that when I see my first one in person.
I took a look at their city fix gear. Track ends, of course. Why does anyone put track ends on a city bike? It is very difficult to pull a rear wheel without touching the chain. City roads are not like velodromes. The streets are not immaculately clean. Put dropouts like the Campys of a million years ago, long horizontal road dropouts that open to the front and let you slide the wheel out without touching the chain.
Of course, the kids (of varying ages, not all young) all must ride "cool" track bikes, so even if that bike will never, from the moment it was conceived, see a velodrome, it has to have "cool" track ends.
Rant, rant. By a guy who has been riding fixed since, not just before it was cool, but before the hipsters who are cool riding their fix gears were born (and every mile of that on road dropouts).
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zootracer
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| 03/06/2014 02:53 PM |
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| Price for the new C60 frame/fork/seatpost is $6199...which means, I'll never own one (if I want to stay married).. |
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stronz
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| 03/06/2014 03:55 PM |
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| Ben I do believe their company is basically called "BS Bikes" I guess no one in the room spoke English when they came up with that one. |
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thinline
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| 03/07/2014 09:36 AM |
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| Ben and Stronz, exactly what I thought. Too funny. It remonds me of Chevy's failed effort to market the Nova in Latin American countries many years ago withot changing the name. Uh, Nova . . . as in does not go. |
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Spud
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| 03/07/2014 10:57 AM |
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I may have to pull the trigger for one of these for my 60th. :-)
It would look nice next to this one.
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vtguy
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| 03/07/2014 11:19 AM |
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| Nice, Spud. Go for it -- they can keep each other company. |
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DonnaMobile
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| 03/07/2014 11:31 AM |
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Cicli Biesse is a bike store in Mestre, on the mainland across from Venice. Is is pronounced BeeESSay and is indeed an acronym of BS. The owner is Massimo Mamprin so they are not his initials; they probably stand for biciclette-something-or-other.
Most Italian bike shops sell their own brand of bikes (along with the "famous" brands). In the "old days" shops actually produced some of the bikes they sold (and some still may?). Now they buy frames and put their names on them. In some cases they’re made by Italian frame builders (usually local); in other cases, they’re from Taiwan or elsewhere, or a combination of the two.
A good example is Cicli BERMA (an acronym for Bertocco Antonio—Italians have traditionally used the last name first), a store in Padua I’ve been dealing with years. I have two of their aluminum frames, custom made for me by their local frame builder (the founder and his sons used to build steel frames themselves). I have an alu 'cross bike from Taiwan, with the paint scheme and components of my choosing. My current road bike is a GX2 (by Oria) carbon fiber monocoque frame made in nearby Venice province. For more euro, I could have had a made-to-measure carbon frame, or for less euro, a Taiwanese carbon frame. (I have nothing against Taiwanese products, but if I buy an Italian bike I want one that is actually made in Italy!). All of these bikes bear the BERMA name and logo, as do the store's Taiwanese MTB’s and city bikes.
The local frame builders construct frames for well-known brands as well. Of course you will pay less for the store-branded bike because you are not paying for the famous name (and its costs for advertising, team sponsorships, etc.) Some Italians are hung up on brand names but others are happy to ride their local store’s brand.
There’s no way of telling where the Biesse frame was made. Even if it says "Made in Italy," that doesn’t mean it was, but only that it was finished/painted/assembled there (a stupid law if ever there was one). As it is sold by a local store with a reputation to uphold, it should be well-made and reliable, and may well be an excellent bike. However, it is not rare, exotic, etc. and should not command a higher-than-normal price. |
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79pmooney
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| 03/07/2014 11:49 AM |
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Thanks, Donna, for putting this in perspective..
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zootracer
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| 03/07/2014 01:00 PM |
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| Spud-if you go over to the Bicycling Mag website they have a nice write up on the C60 |
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stronz
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| 03/07/2014 01:18 PM |
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| Molto Bene! thanks for clearing this up DM ---I relayed your info to my friend. I wonder how he'll take it. He was happy that it was in fact both lower cost and italian. Now we know why. It really is no different than going to my lbs which has its own brand as of a year ago and having a frame made. They are very up front about it being made in Taiwan. There is an example in the shop which looks ok but I dont know if I'd trust it. He's doing the same thing but its making a stop in Italy on the way around the world. To each his own I guess |
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