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Did my first fast group ride in almost a decade.
Last Post 08/21/2014 07:18 PM by SideBy Side. 36 Replies.
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Nick A
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| 08/13/2014 10:10 AM |
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I went to GW (1984-1988). Used to ride around Haines Point. Being in school, riding times were sporadic and erratic. Was riding around one Friday or Saturday night, when all of the evening "cruising" started. Being 20 and invincible, I started doing my imitation of riding through the cars "for fun". LOL. Cycling was not so universal back then. So, I looked kinda funny rolling up through all of the cruisers.
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Keith Richards
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| 08/13/2014 10:27 AM |
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Posted By Orange Crush on 08/12/2014 05:50 PM
Hill group rides are recovery rides. Cheater.
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CERV
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| 08/13/2014 02:13 PM |
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| I'm curious when you say 'paceline' how guys can be staying in the front too long. If a paceline is being rolled properly, you don't really have a choice how long you're in the front (unless you really surge) as the next guy from the 'rotating up' line should be coming around in front of you as soon as you have taken the front of the 'rotating back' line. |
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79pmooney
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| 08/13/2014 02:26 PM |
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CERV, that's a rotating or double paceline. Most people think of a paceline as a line where you pull as long as you like, then rotate off and drift back. That's fine as long as everyone knows his or her abilities and pulls off in good time.
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CERV
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| 08/13/2014 03:44 PM |
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hmm. learn something new every day.
like this, huh?
http://www.ifp.illinois.edu/~smallik/cycling/Paceline.gif
Around here it's generally callled out during rides as 'single-up', 'two-up', 'paceline' (or 'rotate') and 'echelon' (which of course rarely happens outside races, although we have a fast early morning ride that ends along the ocean where a spontaneous echelon will often form out of our rotating paceline).
So in my brain, 'paceline' always implies you are rotating. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 08/13/2014 04:02 PM |
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Image from CERV's post....
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| Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
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Nick A
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| 08/13/2014 04:20 PM |
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I "learned" in NY. Rotating was for team time trials. For a big group ride, the stronger guys took longer pulls. Here in NM, it seems rotating is the thing (Don't really do group rides anymore, but have done maybe a dozen out here over the years). Personally, I don't like it as much. With "taking pulls", it allows more disparate riders to stay together.
Actually, learned on the Gimbels Ride, where it was free for all, with attacks and everything. Everything else is boring after that.
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CERV
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| 08/13/2014 09:04 PM |
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We have a fast but friendly ride that goes out on the weekend. The stated goal of the ride is to get the group around the loop as fast as possible (and of course, there is a strava segment for the route). No racing.
There's a rotating paceline on the front for those strong enough to keep pulling through, a gatekeeper (first guy not rotating) who continually calls out to the rotating guys ahead that they are next up, and a single file line after that to sit in and rest.
You get to choose your own adventure to get in as much of a workout as you want to in the rotating paceline or you can sit in and try to hang on as long as possible. If you want out of the paceline, you wait until you reach the back of the 'rotating back' line then call to the person in front of you they are next up to rotate up, and you become the new gatekeeper. If you want into the paceline, you signal out of the single file line, ride up next to the gatekeeper behind the 'rotating up' line, and the gatekeeper calls you in.
Sounds complicated when you write it out, but it works really well for groups of varying ability. It becomes quickly apparent which guys who are not strong enough to roll the paceline, as they start to let gaps open, can't pull through, etc, and get told to drop back. Normally it's self regulating, as the guys not strong enough to be in the rotation drop back from starting to hate their lives too much.  Everybody gets a good workout on that ride. |
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longslowdistance
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| 08/13/2014 09:36 PM |
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| Nick, rotating pacelines also can be good for breakaways too because it forced everyone to do a similar amount of work. But it's easier for the snappier fast twitch guys than the rouleurs. |
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eurochien
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| 08/13/2014 09:48 PM |
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In Coloroado a paceline is riding single file in the gutter, no idea where the wind's coming from, it's the gutter or nothing. When the proverbial elastic breaks because a dude pops, people still ride the gutter with no idea that they can actually echelon.
I always remember those pictures of the Vuelta with 5 or 6 echelons, separated by maybe 6-10 seconds, so if you're in one of the tailing groups you lose time, but not that much compared to killing yourself by yourself in the gutter and losing 20 minutes at the end of the race. Idiots. |
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Keith Richards
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| 08/14/2014 01:21 PM |
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Posted By Nicholas Arenella on 08/13/2014 04:20 PM
I "learned" in NY...Actually, learned on the Gimbels Ride, where it was free for all, with attacks and everything. Everything else is boring after that.
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I hear you. I learned the ropes on the 10am DC Velo Group ride. And as with you, everything seems tame after that. A free for all is a great description. |
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Keith Richards
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| 08/14/2014 05:47 PM |
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So...did the group ride yesterday. Got dropped with like 6-8 miles to go after the group split when there was a disagreement over re-grouping. My hip flexor issues (for those who have known me here forever, you know all about them) and I had to sit up and let the front group go after bringing a group of five up.
Which brings me to...the chasing group I got together. It contained what was easily the fastest woman I have EVER been on a group ride with and I have ridden with female pros who had done Core States the previous week. On a steel Conlago with a precisa fork, Campy, spoked wheels and leather handle bar tape. How good was she? She rode at the front of the group the whole ride. When she got left she bombed the descent and opened a gap on the chasing group and attempted to close the gap to the front...herself! Into a headwind at 25mph+. I came up behind her and told her to grab my wheel. Despite the cramping and pain of my hip, I just could not leave her in the gap like that. She was too good. So we worked together for 5 minutes on the rivet to nail the front group back. When I got her on the back of the group after all that work (and dropping TWO of the guys in the 5 man) she still had the fitness to ride one handed at 25mph+ and pat me on the shoulder, "thanks for saving my ass, I was in no man's land," and comfortably slid into the pack. At this point I said to her my hip flexor was cramping up and I am going to have to let the group go and sat up.
Ashley...I bow to you dear. You are STUPID fast baby. |
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THE SKINNY
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| 08/15/2014 08:39 AM |
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| no man's land...good one. |
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Keith Richards
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| 08/15/2014 11:38 AM |
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| Yeah, the irony of her making that statement. |
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It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong. |
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Nick A
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| 08/16/2014 08:36 AM |
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Breaks, gaps. Sounds like DC riding is/was like NY riding. I quit FB, but before I did, one of my old riding buddies from way back when, posted video of a group ride in Atlanta. Also pretty crazy. I wonder if it's an east coast thing.
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