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Can we still ride outside?
Last Post 03/17/2020 04:29 PM by Franck A.. 14 Replies.
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6ix

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03/16/2020 11:58 AM
I've heard now that amateur riders (unlike us seasoned pros on this forum) aren't allowed to even ride outside in Italy or Spain, regardless if alone or not.  Yikes.  Is that really true?  Like, can't even leave the house to walk the dog?  Or ride a bike? 

Sure glad I have a good indoor trainer and an internet connection.  Gotta do what ya gotta do but sh*t gets real when you aren't allowed to ride a bike!
79pmooney

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03/16/2020 01:06 PM
It's not about being outside. Its the risk that you might crash and need hospital services. Someone might have to die for the attention you need.

I read an article the other day that the decision as to who gets attention and who is ignored in Italy is being made, not by the doctors, but by often by staff lower down simply because they are so overwhelmed. Also that otherwise healthy cyclist is being taken to a place with high risk of COVID infection and quilte likely simply adding to the big problem.

I understand that part. The tough on is seeing the near empty roads!
Orange Crush

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03/16/2020 01:48 PM
As long as you don’t overlap wheels or cross handlebars you are fine.

Also no snot rockets
79pmooney

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03/16/2020 02:02 PM
Posted By Orange Crush on 03/16/2020 01:48 PM
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Also no snot rockets

It's time., once and for all to get the terminology right.  They are NOT snot "rockets".  They are snot projectiles.  Rockets are self propelled.  (Example - mortar shells.  Without the rocket fuel in the shell, they would never leave the mortar.)  Snot on its own does little more than drip.

I propose we call them snot shots.  Then we can talk about things like range, muzzle velocity, arc, scatter,  pattern etc. in meaningful fashion.  (Even things like recoil and decibels.)
6ix

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03/16/2020 03:14 PM
Ha ha, snot shots. Too funny.

Thanks for the explanation, Ben. I hadn't thought of it that way. Makes sense.

I went out on the Coal Creek trailer today (CK knows this one) and it was like having to dodge rolling grenades with all the toddlers on tri-cycles who are completely clueless of their surroundings. And I've never seen so many Lululemon-clad housewives pushing their jogging strollers. Crazy!! Figured it might be my last day to ride outside for a bit so took advantage.
Cosmic Kid

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03/16/2020 03:22 PM
I am avoiding all group rides for the foreseeable future......Mrs. CK has a suppressed immune system from her MS treatments....just not worth the risk for us.

Will probably avoid the roads as well.....just stick to the DesPlaines River trail if the weather is OK (which will get boring AF, but *shrug*)
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Orange Crush

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03/16/2020 03:34 PM
They are self propelled Ben. All those viruses and bacteria squirming in them make it so.

And clearly you missed the pertinent Seinfeld episode.
longslowdistance

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03/16/2020 09:27 PM
Hospital admissions for the flu have dropped. At least some folks are on board.
thinline

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03/17/2020 09:11 AM
Snot shots? Hmmmmmm, sounds a little too much like a poorly marketed small foil packet of energy gel.

As to cycling in Italy :-( Kinda doubting that trip is going to happen. Of course, that's small potatoes compared to what the country is dealing.
Orange Crush

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03/17/2020 10:14 AM
My current guess...
This will take until July August to run it’s course (ie get passed peak) in North America.
It will take 1 to 2 years to run it’s course globally.
Corona may become a permanent fixture like seasonal flu.

Good read
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
longslowdistance

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03/17/2020 10:42 AM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 03/17/2020 10:42 AM
SARS went away after one appearance.
Cousin MERS that showed up later is seasonal, like the flu.
Both are Coronaviruses, and both are much more lethal but much less contagious than covid19. That high contagiousness of 19 is making control so difficult. A lot of experts agree with OC about the duration. An unknown is durability of an immunity after infection. If it’s durable and half the world gets it this outbreak, it will fade. But if immunity is not durable, yikes.
Orange Crush

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03/17/2020 11:30 AM
Exactly...the point being while current containment measures are good ultimately we will need to deal with this in a fashion that can be maintained long term. You can only shut down society so long before you are causing all sorts of other damage. Already people are being laid off by the thousands.
79pmooney

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03/17/2020 11:35 AM
We have need of the next line of defense - our immune systems. We are very close to pigs. Convenient for study purposes but it does mean we are susceptible to the same viruses pigs are. Now bats are a different story. The corona virus don't seem to affect them much. The bat woman found a bat that was harboring 3 or 4 coronas that would each be a serious issue for us - simultaneously. Apparently with no ill effect.

So for the next avenue of gene therapy - the evolution to a more bat-like sequence. (And if that comes with useful wings - cool!)

And seriously - I hope the immunities come and stay because we now know there is a roughly two day window before any symptoms where a person is contagious.
79pmooney

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03/17/2020 11:49 AM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 03/17/2020 10:42 AM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 03/17/2020 10:42 AM
SARS went away after one appearance.
Cousin MERS that showed up later is seasonal, like the flu.
Both are Coronaviruses, and both are much more lethal but much less contagious than covid19. That high contagiousness of 19 is making control so difficult. A lot of experts agree with OC about the duration. An unknown is durability of an immunity after infection. If it’s durable and half the world gets it this outbreak, it will fade. But if immunity is not durable, yikes.

Sadly, I think you are spot on.  The current two week closures?  Yeah, right!  (It is necessary to lower the bell curve but we won't have even hit the steep part in two weeks.)

I've been reading books that put this into perspective.  Life in Europe during the two world wars.  No, this won;'t be nearly as bad.  This isn't a killer of high percentages or (for most of us) permanently life altering.  But we are going to see shortages and what we see as lost liberties that we haven't seen (here in North America) since WW2.  Elsewhere, the long term is going to be far worse.  (And you heard it here first - serious PTSD issues for Italian and Spanish health workers far into the future from making daily decisions as to who lives and who dies.)
eurochien

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03/17/2020 04:29 PM
I follow news from France, whose government has established stricter confinement rules after Parisians were seen blowing off municipal elections (maintained despite the Covid19) for outside parks to picinic and hang out with friends and family due to the nice spring weather.
Anyway people are still allowed to get out for food shopping, to go to work (if you can't wfh) and to walk the dog/exercise (but not in groups). People are supposed to be carrying some declaration of purpose ("I hereby certify that I'm walking down this street because I need to go buy bread/milk/TP"... - good luck with that last one) that the cops patrolling the streets will demand if they see and stop you. Nothing about riding a bike though.
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