2020 wave
Last Post 12/13/2020 02:53 PM by 79 pmooney. 21 Replies.
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smokey52

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12/02/2020 12:41 PM
https://www.bicycling.com/news/a34833834/cyclist-nearly-swept-away-by-lake-michigan-wave/ CK - Have you ridden this route?
Cosmic Kid

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12/02/2020 04:07 PM
I know where it is, but have never ridden down there. Run near it a few times, but never that exact point.

But it is often the scene of crazy video like this.

Glad the guy was OK!
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
79pmooney

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12/02/2020 04:12 PM
Many moons ago, the Thanksgiving weekend Sunday sailboat races in Evanston Harbor were canceled for full gale winds coming off Lake Michigan. I had my (1/4" diving) wetsuit so I put it on and went out and stood on the harbor's breakwater. Impressive. And very wet, standing probably 20' above the (nominal) water level.

We were racing Lehman 10's, little round bottomed dinghies that sank if you swamped them. (If you left them untouched, they would come back up, slowly.)

Big waters and storms are to be respected. (Edmond Fitzgerald, next puddle north. We studied that sinking my freshman year at Michigan - the final, most dangerous run of the year for the Lake Superior iron ore carriers. Everybody knows the riisk. Also that unemployment for the crew and no income for the ship owner 'till spring starts after that last haul. Naval Architecture 101. Winter of 1972.)
79pmooney

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12/02/2020 04:15 PM
CK, that is one place where a steel bike is superior! Yes, subject to rust. But - when bike and rider get separated, the steel bike is leaving the scene a lot slower!
longslowdistance

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12/02/2020 06:25 PM
Does Uber light CF float? Might have escaped that dumbass rider and floated to safety far away.
79pmooney

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12/04/2020 05:19 PM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 12/02/2020 06:25 PM
Does Uber light CF float? Might have escaped that dumbass rider and floated to safety far away.

It won't float if the tubes fill up.  (The resin sinks, barely.  The carbon fibers is close to glass in density and represents more than 5o% of the composite weight.)  But, take a nice fat aero tubed CF bike, skip the internal cables and wiring (sorry CK), seal the seatpost slot, plug the tubes at the BB and HT, work silicon under the riv-nuts and any ventilation holes and it should float just fine.  Won;t serve as a life preserver.  You'd need much fatter tubes.
longslowdistance

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12/04/2020 08:04 PM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 12/04/2020 08:04 PM
So votes for liberation destination? If buoyant, the poor bike could wash up locally or farther to Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, or Canada.

Wisconsin is upwind, unlikely.
Indiana and Michigan have some wonderful sand beaches. One is batsh+t crazy and likes lynching rogue bicycles, especially if not white. The other is merely confused. Canada has some appeal, but that's a long trip for a waterlogged bicycle.
zootracer

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12/05/2020 09:42 AM
All is well, he was riding a Land Shark.
Orange Crush

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12/05/2020 12:43 PM
I’ll put money down on Indiana


https://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/currents/glcfs-currents-month.php?mon=04
79pmooney

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12/05/2020 04:14 PM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 12/04/2020 08:04 PM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 12/04/2020 08:04 PM
So votes for liberation destination? If buoyant, the poor bike could wash up locally or farther to Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, or Canada.

Wisconsin is upwind, unlikely.
Indiana and Michigan have some wonderful sand beaches. One is batsh+t crazy and likes lynching rogue bicycles, especially if not white. The other is merely confused. Canada has some appeal, but that's a long trip for a waterlogged bicycle.

I can see this being the start of a Native American legend.  A poorly treated white bicycle throws itself into the great waters, is carried to a far land and found on a pristine beach by a young lad who drains the water, revives the steed and rides it.  Now it is a white bike, that ostracized color.  The kid is the misunderstood village loser.  But on this steed, he grows to be a great warrior and leader.  (Think the likes of Crazy Horse.)  Last witnessed riding his steed west, over the hills and water into the yonder.

To this day, the "boy on his white bike" is revered (and called upon to do miracles).  He has ridden down from the clouds many times over the eons to heal young lads stricken with fatal illnesses.  Those lads may ride their white bikes as long as they live.  For the rest, still no, but now because they are sacred and only for the chosen.

OC, I can see the Native Americans of Michigan and Indana fighting it out centuries from now as to whose beach the bike landed on.
Orange Crush

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12/05/2020 05:18 PM
Take your pick Ben

https://legacy.npr.org/assets/news/2014/06/Tribal_Nations_Map_NA.pdf
longslowdistance

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12/05/2020 09:30 PM
Thanks for the link OC. The European invasion is the stuff of epic history.
No expert on first peoples here, but the map is intriguing in that it has multiple native groups where the Europeans made initial contact, but broad areas without fine distinctions further inland. Coastal nitpicking vs. heartland kumbaya? Perhaps more likely ignorance due to past events that cannot be better examined.
longslowdistance

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12/05/2020 09:42 PM
FWIW I have learned all I can about the Euro invasion of Atlantic Canada and the effects on the first peoples there. I emphasize that I am no expert, but if I may here is a summary: The Inuit (way up north in coastal Labrador) fought like hell and were able to maintain some of their culture after conversion to Christianity. The Innu further south and further inland in Labrador did not, instead tried to get along with the invaders, and for that have been overrun and sadly now are a state dependent basket case. The Beothuck in Newfoundland chose mainly to retreat from the incursion over fighting back, and were totally obliterated by westerners and western disease. The Mi'kmaq are somewhere in between. Their residual footprint is small. Good on the current Canadian PM for his attention to this history.
Orange Crush

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12/05/2020 11:00 PM
Not sure if you found it but this is story behind map there is also a click through to the still active project.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/06/24/323665644/the-map-of-native-american-tribes-youve-never-seen-before

I do think that coastal native settlements would have been relatively fixed in location due to more abunda food sources hence perhaps the denser number of tribes whereas inland there would have been seasonal migrations with larger footprints. Not sure if that explains it
smokey52

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12/06/2020 07:32 AM
Charles Mann "1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus" has a lot of the history of the Americas. I haven't gotten to the sequel 1493.
longslowdistance

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12/06/2020 08:25 PM
Thanks for the links. The details of coastal peoples is much more detailed, I'll speculate that's the most accurate because these were the first European contacts. Were the inland peoples in flyover country less diverse before contact? Or changed by European diseases before the western invasion?
Orange Crush

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12/06/2020 09:16 PM
Perhaps mostly it just reflects the dedicated efforts of the particular search and where it led him. If I look at my own neck of the woods, he managed excellent coverage in Vancouver Island region but in Greater Vancouver area where it reads Squamish there should be about 10 other names minimum. I also notice that New Mexico has much denser coverage due to the pueblo heritage (well worth a visit). A work is progress and I am sure there’s a lot of gaps that could be filled in through a collective effort.
Nick A

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12/12/2020 06:47 PM
There's a book called "The Pueblo Revolt" that goes over what happened in NM. What's unusual about NM, is that most Native Americans in what is now the US were either slaughtered, or relocated to Oklahoma, the former "Indian Territory". The Navajo Nation and the pueblos of NM are different, in that, they are on smaller versions of their original territories, so even though there has been a lot of suffering, there is still an direct lineage of the people and the land that goes back millennia.

Nick
Orange Crush

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12/12/2020 08:30 PM
Yes those forced relocations were insane.

Here in BC tribes are still on their traditional lands in fact most of the province is unceded land. Lots of active treaty negotiations and with UN declaration combined with more willing courts this is actually a good time for First Nations to use leverage they now have which they never did before. Interesting times.
longslowdistance

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12/12/2020 09:05 PM
And irony to follow: fracking and/or casinos with mucho $$ or preservation of purportedly sacred land. Or a bit of both. Interesting to observe.
Orange Crush

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12/13/2020 12:24 PM
Self governance requires an income stream. If a casino is what it takes then all more power to them. Surprised about the fracking. But it’s probably similar to our Alberta counterparts. If your rights are going to be trampled on by oil and gas companies you might as well run it yourself, get the income from it and try to run it more responsible. That also the case local where FN are running commercial but sustainable forestry ops and fish farms (they provide the leadership on making these land based).
79pmooney

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12/13/2020 02:53 PM
I have longed admired the irony of the Native Americans making income off us whites by offering us addictive vices. First, tobacco, a substance they used but in far from additive manner (but they never profited by it). Now gambling. Considering the alcohol (and diseases and genocide) we offered them, fair play!

Now Oregon has just voted on making peyote legal or at least, not illegal. I voted for it but have mixed feelings. If we see a run in peyote, a lot of damage will occur on land that cannot sustain it. I suspect sacred lands will be trampled and the Native Americans who have been using peyote forever may be effectively denied access to it after treating the land it grew on as a gift to be treasured.


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