Dale
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| 06/13/2021 10:08 AM |
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Rewatching some 1992 monument, Tour of Flanders perhaps, I noticed the pockets were much lower on the jersey than currently and caused me to reflect on how the cuts have changed from the not very form fitting to the almost painted on look we now have.
My team had some of the first Castelli San Remo skin suits and those were amazing… I still break it out every once in a while. Racing cross skinsuits are the thing; no extra fabric to inadvertently catch the nose of the saddle during a dismount or remount, no pockets since carrying anything is pointless in 45-60 minute race especially since you pass a pit twice a lap.
The new kits have better fabrics, they’re cooler, lighter, better fitting, and exceed the old stuff by a mile except in one area, the pockets. I don’t need them placed on my rear end but I don’t want them in the middle of my back where I can’t pull out a gel one handed. Most of the time it’s a two hand operation, one to grab the lower hem and pull down so the other can grab what I need. I know I lack the flexibility of Simone Biles but virtually all the race cut jerseys I’ve had in the last eight years or so are horrible for pocket placement. Club cut jerseys are better for pockets but are too baggy even when I size down.
Come on jersey manufacturers, don’t make me buy a fanny pack  |
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zootracer
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| 06/13/2021 10:32 AM |
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| I have an old jersey made by World Jerseys, it's red, pockets are low and fits a tad loose. I wear it a lot. I ordered a new one. Same design (Nuke EM) and it fits tighter and pockets are higher. The fabric is also different. Like you, it's really hard to reach for stuff in the middle pocket. Maybe they use gorilla's for models. |
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Orange Crush
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| 06/13/2021 10:39 AM |
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Posted By Dale Dale on 06/13/2021 10:08 AM
Come on jersey manufacturers, don’t make me buy a fanny pack
Handlebar bags will fix that for you and are the new cool. Even the pros ride with them now on training rides LOL |
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79pmooney
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| 06/13/2021 12:29 PM |
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I have 4 old school Mavic spring/fall jerseys that the local shop bought a lot of then discovered the zippers were crap and sold them for $30 each. I paid the local drycleaner to have really good zippers installed. No doubt an immigrant did the work; cash and no receipt but really well done.
Pockets are properly low, fabric is sturdy, all the sewing details on there jerseys excellent. Portland's getting tired of seeing me in them. They are bright, almost fluorescent orange with big reflecting silver patches of duct tape like stripes. Low "tails" to cover lower back and be more visible to cars when crouched low. Too warm if the temps get above 70 but the fabric, while thick, is the good stuff.
The huge winner of those jerseys is the pockets. Completely in the right place. Very sturdy. Meant for serious use. My first choice going to the farmer's market because wallet access is so good. Right up there with favorite jeans. They're big. No, not super stretchy so there are limits as to how much you can get in them but the jersey doesn't care if you try to push the boundaries.
When these jerseys die, I'll take one as a pattern to someone who can duplicate the fit with the best fabric we can find. Sadly, my two resources there are no longer around but the jerseys should go long enough into post pandemic recovery for me to find someone. (If the concept of quality custom handwork survives. But we do and will have a resource - immigrants who know how to make clothing. I have zero issue with some of my bucks going to them for quality work.)
Dale - the new jerseys - so we can paste small items onto our backs like they are electronic images. (That they look and feel 3-dimensional is a very clever illusion.) You want that Snickers? You have to download it. (This is the future. Next year we will be downloading meal services to our phones and laptops. Finally get those apps to do their intended service - feed our "app"itite. You didn't know that the pro cycling world is leading the way.) |
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79pmooney
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| 06/13/2021 12:47 PM |
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And seriously - handlebar bags. I'm going to try one for my "good" bike, the geared TiCycles because it has always had the want to go into high speed shudder. Probably the result of: 1" steel steerer, long top tube, low trail, non-damping steel fork (probably 531 or Columbus). This was all stuff I requested and wouldn't back down on so I cannot fault Dave Levy, the builder. As I get older, less strong, less "authoritative" on the bike and more cautious, the shudder comes on at lower speed and is worse. I may try a ride with a short, heavy pipe lashed to the tops to see if that helps. If so, the search is on for a suitable weight container! And the total rethink as to what goes where.
Actually this could work out really nicely. My plan is to replace the toolbag with what really belongs under the seat - a proper sewup. So that tube of sunscreen, spoke wrench and Allen keys have to go somewhere. |
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huckleberry
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| 06/13/2021 12:53 PM |
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| Just got a small handlebar bag - love it! |
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79pmooney
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| 06/13/2021 02:05 PM |
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Posted By christopher behrens on 06/13/2021 12:53 PM
Just got a small handlebar bag - love it!
A hanny pack!
Does it quiet the front end at speed?
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Cosmic Kid
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| 06/13/2021 03:23 PM |
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Handlebar bags will fix that for you and are the new cool
Never. I will die on this hill.
I bought a Perfetto jersey recently, thinking it could be the ticket for my upcoming Iceland race.
Great temperature range, great fabrics, etc....but the pockets are damn near worthless.
For the most part, Pactimo has good positioning for their pockets. My local club uses them...and I generally like them. But the aero cut for the arms isn’t great. (You need to use raglan sleeves, not a box cut).
But I hate high pockets on jerseys...I shouldn’t have to be a contortionist to access my nutrition. |
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| Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
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Orange Crush
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| 06/13/2021 03:35 PM |
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| “He died on a hill somewhere in remote Iceland, of a hunger knock apparently. Fellow riders indicated he was last seen trying in vain to reach his jersey pocket for an energy gel”. |
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79pmooney
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| 06/13/2021 03:41 PM |
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Posted By Orange Crush on 06/13/2021 03:35 PM
“He died on a hill somewhere in remote Iceland, of a hunger knock apparently. Fellow riders indicated he was last seen trying in vain to reach his jersey pocket for an energy gel”.
"He was unable to download his nutrition due to the high latitude and the mountain ridge. The virtual image was still to be seen on his jersey."
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huckleberry
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| 06/13/2021 05:43 PM |
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| I must qualify my purchase - it was for my gravel bike. The road bike will never see such sin. |
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eurochien
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| 06/13/2021 06:44 PM |
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| Yeah I've seen all the cool cats rocking those roll bags on their handlebars. They remind me of Bartali, Coppi and the whole 1940's - 50's peloton with their bottles on the bar. Everything old is new again. |
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Orange Crush
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| 06/13/2021 06:45 PM |
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| The handlebar bag had made it onto my road bike as well but only for day long self supported rides. It’s simply the superior and most aesthetic storage solution. I hate the look and feel of stuffed jersey pockets wherever they may sit. Larger saddle bags - yuck and hopelessly unstable on gravel. A great companion for my handlebar bag is the bear bell which can be attached when headed to grizzly country. I just need to start figuring out where I can attach the bear spray before July trip which heads into epicentre of bc grizzly habitat. |
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Orange Crush
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| 06/13/2021 06:50 PM |
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Btw while most of my jerseys are regular cut, I have two club race cut jerseys (from Louis Garneau I think). Pocket positioning seems fine. On the first iteration we did notice some issues with stitching and tearing of fabric near pockets. Second iteration seems better.
Of course there have been some issues with Covid fit into those race cut jerseys for some of our members. Otherwise these races cuts are really slick. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 06/13/2021 10:16 PM |
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“He died on a hill somewhere in remote Iceland, of a hunger knock apparently. Fellow riders indicated he was last seen trying in vain to reach his jersey pocket for an energy gel”.
LOL!!! |
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| Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
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