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79pmooney

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07/04/2017 11:55 PM
I actually like the race jury's decision. I think both party were wrong here. Sagan came over, Cav stuck his nose where it didn't belong. Both paid a big penalty. (Sagan came off lighter. $$s being less painful to part with than skin and bone.)

What this decision makes clear is the point hold your line. We will penalize. WC stripes won't give you a bye. Nor will world-wide popularity.

Ben
jookey

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07/05/2017 06:50 AM
Frenchman now in green. Conspiracy theory on why the DQ.
Cosmic Kid

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07/05/2017 09:39 AM
WTF is BMC doing?!?!? They are sitting on the front, doing all the work on this stage.....but SKY has the jersey AND the overall favorite. FFS, let them do the work!!

I get that they are trying to set Porte up, but let SKY burn the matches.....it may not matter today, but could surely make an impact in the third week.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Nick A

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07/05/2017 09:54 AM
Quick return to yesterday's sprint. If Cav hadn't been injured to the point that he couldn't continue, and they had punished them both severely, there'd be fewer dangerous moves in the sprints. I don't like when cycling becomes a contact sport.

Nick
Cosmic Kid

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07/05/2017 10:33 AM
Well, my prognostication of Froome locking up the race today was clearly wrong....

Still don't understand what BMC was doing....for a team, a GT is "death by a thouhsand paper cuts". Whoever bleeds less, wins.....BMC should ahve let SKY do all the work today. There is no need to "make a statement" or "ride strong" to set Porte up. Save your matches for when they matter.

So did Aru rise as a potential challenger today? POssibly, IMO....i believe he is a good descender (correct me if I am wrong) and with only 2 summit finishes left, but a smattering of descents to the finish, the could bode well for him.
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Cosmic Kid

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07/05/2017 09:49 PM
LOL...as an "expert" to discuss the Sagan DQ, NBCSports brought in the reknowned sprinter, la grimauve himself, Andy Schleck.

Seriously?

Pssst...NBC Sports, you suck. Dump Phil & Paul and their cast of cronies and start new. The coverage is literally unwatchable now.
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79pmooney

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07/05/2017 11:15 PM
CK, just wow! "And to bring you up to date on the big train wreck, we bring you the famous porter, ..."

Ben
Orange Crush

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07/06/2017 12:34 AM
CK as to what BMC are doing I think Tim Wellens figured it
longslowdistance

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07/06/2017 08:52 AM
The blowback on the Sagan DQ is substantial. Some are simply "He's too wonderful for cycling to DQ" but most are "his infraction was not that serious. Cav shooting for a closing hole was a gamble and he bears some responsibility, too". 
Now Bora is going to the CAS asking for reinstatement, good luck with that. If they get a miraculous yes, Le Tour could say: Fine: Just make up the stages you missed within the time limit and you're back in.
Cosmic Kid

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07/06/2017 09:18 AM
Posted By Orange Crush on 07/06/2017 12:34 AM
CK as to what BMC are doing I think Tim Wellens figured it


I missed it....what did he say?
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Orange Crush

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07/06/2017 09:38 AM
He said BMC strategy was to hand yellow to Froome so he has to go to all the ceremonies and wear him out that way.
79pmooney

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07/06/2017 10:07 AM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 07/06/2017 08:52 AM
The blowback on the Sagan DQ is substantial. Some are simply "He's too wonderful for cycling to DQ" but most are "his infraction was not that serious. Cav shooting for a closing hole was a gamble and he bears some responsibility, too". 
Now Bora is going to the CAS asking for reinstatement, good luck with that. If they get a miraculous yes, Le Tour could say: Fine: Just make up the stages you missed within the time limit and you're back in.

Except Cavendish was there the whole time.  Look at the footage long before.  Demare, Sagan and that whole bunch were entirely on the left side of the road.  Cavendish was the only rider on the right.  Demare took everyone maybe 2 or 3 meters to the right.  Sagan can argue Damare took him over to the point where he was closing Cavendish's lane, but not that Cavendish wasn't there when he got there.

Cavendish's error?  Not conceding and hitting his brakes but instead fighting like a tomcat you are trying to put in a cage.  (The headbutt.)  But that lane was his all along.  And I won't for a second believe Sagan wasn't fully aware of him.  Sagan is a world class athlete, not just a dumb powerhouse on a bike.

Ben
Cosmic Kid

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07/06/2017 10:46 AM
Demare headbutted two guys today along the right side....what action will the race jury take against him? At a minimum, he should be relegated, IMO.
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longslowdistance

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07/06/2017 10:49 AM
Demare weaves around just like yesterday. He's French.
Red Tornado

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07/06/2017 11:13 AM
That whole sprint/jury decision is a massive cluster. Here's how I see it (being as objective as I can)..... 1. Demare's first move, to the right, forced Sagan (and maybe another, can't remember) to the right resulting in him slamming the door on Cavendish. I believe Sagan had to know "someone" was back there, maybe not who or how close, but he had to have known. Did momentum carry him too far to the right? Maybe, but only Sagan knows for sure. 2. Cavendish, being his normal dangerous/reckless self, kept the hammer down and tried to make a hole where there no longer was one. The resulting head-butt to Sagan knocked them both off balance but Cav, not realizing he was tangling with an exceptional bike handler and maybe too off-balance himself at that point, got the worst of it (karma, if you ask me), lost control and went down. 3. Sagan has his elbow bumped into by Cav's brake lever and at the same time was sticking it out to maintain balance after the initial contact (look at the rest of his body English at that time). At this point he's in survival mode trying to keep the rubber side down. 4. Immediately following, Demare ping-pongs waaay across to his left - almost from the far right to the middle of the road - nearly clipping Bouhanni, forcing him to check up pretty hard. If I were the jury.... Sagan gets relegated for not better controlling his rightward movement towards the barriers. Cavendish gets relegated for sticking his nose where it didn't belong (again). Demare gets relegated for a true "irregular sprint" and Kristoff is declared the official stage winner. If points are deducted, they get equally deducted from all three riders. No one gets DQ'd. Finally, as per the UCI rules, both sides of the Sagan/Cavendish saga, and I guess Demare's people as well would get their say prior to the decision being made. The decision is made based on the moves of the riders, not the after-effects. Gross over-reaction by the UCI "jury" for Sagan/Cav, and gross non-reaction in the case of Demare. A few other points, while I'm going for the record of the longest post I've ever made on this forum. Understand and agree with being safety conscious and all that, but when a guy tries to force his way along side what is the other rider supposed to do? Sit up and wave him through? These guys are fighting a war and unfortunately stuff happens. They assume that risk when they swing a leg over the saddle. Also, this whole thing happened in what 5-7 seconds? None of the riders had the benefit of time that both we and the race jury has. Not saying this gives them license to do whatever, but the jury has to keep that in mind. Sometimes you're not even thinking, you're reacting and going off reflexes/etc.
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