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longslowdistance

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11/05/2019 09:27 PM
Here in VA the state house is under Dem control for the first time in a long time. Trump is the gift that just keeps giving.
I hope they are smart in how they handle their newfound majorities. VA is not Mass or California, and slow and steady moves like modest gun control and restoring local control over Confederate iconography (it's a thing here) would be just right. A sharp turn to the hard core Bernie and Warren voters would backfire. Slow and steady wins the race.
Cosmic Kid

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11/05/2019 10:14 PM
Congrats LSD...definitely a monumental win in VA.

And there was also this piece of news from Loudon County. Some heroes wear a helmet and ride a bike.

https://twitter.com/mrvndn/status/1191893015842971648?s=21
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
longslowdistance

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11/05/2019 10:34 PM
A bit of sunshine. Yes! Here in our little burgh we may yet make America better, even great.
In our last cycle two years ago a trans candidate clobbered a long serving gay and trans basher. But not until today that was enough for a majority.
Yo Dems. Don't f up.
smokey52

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11/05/2019 10:36 PM
tRump was a big help in the Kentucky gubernatorial race.
huckleberry

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11/06/2019 11:16 AM
So CK and LSD, if I am reading what you are saying, the Dems are already screwed for the win unless we have a moderate candidate.

Realistically, at this point, that leaves old Joe and possibly Klobuchar.

They might placate some old bible-clinging Midwesterners, but what will they do for the rest of us? Progressives, the youth, the minorities?

I don't argue that we might be screwed with not having a candidate that inspires or even satisfies the entire democratic demographic, but I certainly don't think your tactic of "anyone but Trump" is a healthy agenda.

I'll go down with progress and inspiration, not with the status quo which got us where we are and has put us in a position that we can no longer afford to waste time with your not even half measure political proposals.

This will be an election to prove that we are better human beings than we have demonstrated in quite some time. Trump gets elected again would be proof that it no longer matters what some of us may hope for a future - responsibility for the planet, caring for each other, morality, plain decency.

Of course, whoever is on the ballot against Trump will get my vote, but I will not be kowtowed at this point by fear mongers to stray from what I believe in and hope for.
Orange Crush

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11/06/2019 11:31 AM
Well said Huck...

On Virginia, I guess being finally able to enshrine ERA could be seen as progress but really being several decades after the fact it shows the fallacy and failure of incrementalism. Being able to grasp the levers of power is perhaps cause for some celebration but really it should not be the end goal; whether the D's do something with those levers and make meaningful change over next four years should be the true measure of achievement. Leave that champagne corked for now.

US politics remains deadlocked in a Catch 22 it seems. At least until someone or something snaps you out of it. When that happens, it may be ugly (as the last four years have been) or it may be beautiful, but it won't be incremental. History is littered with upset events that no one saw coming.
Dale

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11/06/2019 01:14 PM
I've all but given up hope that Trump will lose in 2020.

The D field is so dull and uninspiring it's a wonder none of them have fallen asleep in the middle of a debate.

Sanders will get branded as a Sandinista, furthermore he's a poor street fighter.
Warren's "I have a plan" song is getting old, and her hard left ideas don't play in the heartland.
Biden loves a good scrap and he'd do well brawling with Donnie but you'd need a 777 to carry all his baggage.
Mayor Pete? Everyone else? Dull. Dull. Dull.

The purist ideologues will stay home or vote 3rd party if the D nominee isn't their brand of Democrat.

The only way for tRump to lose is for someone to hire Valerie Plame's ad agency, buy Red Bull by the gallon, and go after Trump like a no-holds barred cage fighter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICW-dGD1M18

Otherwise we'll just have to hope a generation of crotchety old white guys collectively croak before November 2020.


huckleberry

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11/06/2019 01:45 PM
I disagree Dale.

Bernie does inspire me. Warren inspires me.

They may not inspire enough people, but I don't think there's anyone else in the pipeline to do so.

I find Trump inspiring. He has shown me what the ugly side of humanity and America looks like and what's possible to come. It's not pretty. It's damn scary from my perspective.

I find that awfully f#@king inspiring.
Cosmic Kid

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11/06/2019 03:03 PM
So CK and LSD, if I am reading what you are saying, the Dems are already screwed for the win unless we have a moderate candidate.

Realistically, at this point, that leaves old Joe and possibly Klobuchar.

They might placate some old bible-clinging Midwesterners, but what will they do for the rest of us? Progressives, the youth, the minorities?


Are you willing to subject the country to four more years of Trump over this?

Again, I am not arguing ideology here, but practicality. The house is burning down and we need to put out the fire, not argue over whether to save the china or the TV. I will gladly accept whatever policies come with whatever Dem candidate gets the nomination....they just need to be able to defeat Trump.

If the Dem nomination boils down to an ideological purity test, we all lose. If the progressives stay home because they don't get Bernie or Warren as the nominee, then they deserve another 4 years of Trump....

I simply can't understand that position when we see the damage Trump has done to this country in only 3 years....we can't take another 5 of it. All our norms and rules of law will be shattered and the GOP will never lose power.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Cosmic Kid

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11/06/2019 03:05 PM
Dale and I are on the same page.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
huckleberry

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11/06/2019 03:28 PM
I get you CK, but what specifically, or should I say, WHO are you specifically saying should be the nominee? You've been vague so far.

I already stated that I would be voting for WHOEVER is on the ballot opposing Trump, but also said what I believe is the answer to what my hopes for the country are. A progressive agenda.

No, the country cannot withstand another 5 years, but you can't be like Mayor Pete and just tell us what is wrong, but you need to tell us what you specifically propose to fix it. Fixing it meaning who do you support - no need to say why as you've already stated that a "few" times ; )
Cosmic Kid

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11/06/2019 03:51 PM
I honestly don't have a preference huck, as long as they can defeat trump. I am an independent and I don't feel strong enough about any of the Dem candidates to vote for them in the primary. (again, I'll be voting against Trump in the GOP primary). Not my monkey, not my circus. Dems need to make that decision.

If I had my druthers, I'd really like to see Kamala Harris win. Despite her race and gender being huge marks against her in this political climate, I'd pay a lot of money to see her go up against Trump, especially in a debate. But her campaign has been lackluster for the primaries, so I don't know if she would have what it takes in the general, either.

I know this sounds horrible, but the Dems needed a charismatic, straight 40-50 white guy to run this year...if they had that nominee, 2020 would look much different. The only guy who came close to that was Beto and he screwed up from the get-go with his "I'm not running, but now I'm running" nonsense.

Sanders - too old and whacked out (and not even a Dem)
Warren - Too much misogyny out there right now, too liberal and wait until the "Pocahontas" chants start.
Biden - too old and clearly leaking oil. (I'm still pissed he didn't run in 2016.)
Buttigieg - like him a lot, but as noted, America is not ready for a gay couple in the WH


Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
huckleberry

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11/06/2019 04:12 PM
For me...

Kamala - liked, but has been one note and her pandering needs work as it appears inauthentic
Beto - too immature, no charisma in debates, stilted, nothing substantive to offer at this time
Buttigieg - like him, but has only pointed out problems with other candidates, not solutions - which I understand is necessary to stay viable in the debates, and agree that sadly the US is not ready for a gay couple in the WH
Booker - possible VP material IMO
Klobuchar - will receive much of the criticism that Hillary received, doesn't inspire me
Biden - totally agree that he should have run in 2016, way too much baggage/skeletons, doesn't look healthy
Sanders - love him. a moral human, been walking the same walk for some time, doesn't change his opinion/direction with the polls, maybe too old, but doesn't act it. a balancing, young VP would help
Warren - she is my pick at this point. energetic, she has a plan ; ) inspiring, progressive, another humanist, likes S&M!
Cosmic Kid

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11/06/2019 04:50 PM
I think Warren has run a smart campaign overall....her "I have a plan" mantra has gone over well (even when she didn't have a plan) and people are listening to her. Sticking around for hours on end are giving her a sense of approachability that she lacked before.

But I think she really shot herself in the foot with her Health Plan....$50 Trillion dollar plan with a $20T tax hike? Good luck selling that to the masses.

If she would pivot a bit more towards the middle, her chances would be much better...but she is letting the progressive wing push her further and further to the left, which IMO, is not good.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
huckleberry

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11/06/2019 05:50 PM
"If she would pivot a bit more towards the middle, her chances would be much better...but she is letting the progressive wing push her further and further to the left, which IMO, is not good."

I'm surprised to hear you say that ; )

Yeah, it's a shame that the masses can't understand basic math.
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