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79pmooney

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11/07/2019 11:38 AM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 11/07/2019 09:35 AM
A case can be made that Jimmy Carter has been our greatest ex-president. By that I mean what he has done since leaving the white house.

By no small margin, IMO.  Much of what he has done has flown completely under the radar (at lest in this country).  Yes, his role in Habitat for Humanity is well known.  There was the time he was sent to oversee an election (Panama?) and give it the stamp of approval.  Oops!  You don't send Jimmy Carter to approve corrupt elections.

His quiet victory, virtually eliminating the Guinea worm in humans.  He did this through his Carter Foundation, a pharmaceutical company that he convinced to make and donate the vaccine for and a company that made well digging equipment.  The foundation went to communities in Africa. taught the women how the parasite lived and spread (larvae in the pooled water they were drinking) had wells dug so clean water was available and administered the vaccines for those afflicted.  Their efforts brought the curse of the worm (which grows to several feet inside the bodies of living humans) from decimal places well beyond the thousands to a few hundred cases world-wide.  I find it funny that Carter fully "got" that for this to work, they had to teach the women, that teaching this to the men was simply wasted effort!

His book "A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence and Power" is a powerful and very disturbing read.  I went to hear him talk about it at Portland's iconic bookstore.  Turned out he wasn't going to talk, just sign the books.  Well, I was there so I bought one and got in line.  Roughly number 600 of a thousand.  Hours later when my turn came, a shrunken old man scribbled his signature in my book without ever looking up.  I could be disappointed,  Instead I felt honored to be in the presence of perhaps the humblest man I will ever meet.

Ben
79pmooney

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11/07/2019 11:39 AM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 11/07/2019 09:35 AM
A case can be made that Jimmy Carter has been our greatest ex-president. By that I mean what he has done since leaving the white house.

By no small margin, IMO.  Much of what he has done has flown completely under the radar (at lest in this country).  Yes, his role in Habitat for Humanity is well known.  There was the time he was sent to oversee an election (Panama?) and give it the stamp of approval.  Oops!  You don't send Jimmy Carter to approve corrupt elections.

His quiet victory, virtually eliminating the Guinea worm in humans.  He did this through his Carter Foundation, a pharmaceutical company that he convinced to make and donate the vaccine for and a company that made well digging equipment.  The foundation went to communities in Africa. taught the women how the parasite lived and spread (larvae in the pooled water they were drinking) had wells dug so clean water was available and administered the vaccines for those afflicted.  Their efforts brought the curse of the worm (which grows to several feet inside the bodies of living humans) from decimal places well beyond the thousands to a few hundred cases world-wide.  I find it funny that Carter fully "got" that for this to work, they had to teach the women, that teaching this to the men was simply wasted effort!

His book "A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence and Power" is a powerful and very disturbing read.  I went to hear him talk about it at Portland's iconic bookstore.  Turned out he wasn't going to talk, just sign the books.  Well, I was there so I bought one and got in line.  Roughly number 600 of a thousand.  Hours later when my turn came, a shrunken old man scribbled his signature in my book without ever looking up.  I could be disappointed,  Instead I felt honored to be in the presence of perhaps the humblest man I will ever meet.

Ben
79pmooney

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11/07/2019 11:41 AM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 11/07/2019 09:35 AM
A case can be made that Jimmy Carter has been our greatest ex-president. By that I mean what he has done since leaving the white house.

By no small margin, IMO.  Much of what he has done has flown completely under the radar (at lest in this country).  Yes, his role in Habitat for Humanity is well known.  There was the time he was sent to oversee an election (Panama?) and give it the stamp of approval.  Oops!  You don't send Jimmy Carter to approve corrupt elections.

His quiet victory, virtually eliminating the Guinea worm in humans.  He did this through his Carter Foundation, a pharmaceutical company that he convinced to make and donate the vaccine for and a company that made well digging equipment.  The foundation went to communities in Africa. taught the women how the parasite lived and spread (larvae in the pooled water they were drinking) had wells dug so clean water was available and administered the vaccines for those afflicted.  Their efforts brought the curse of the worm (which grows to several feet inside the bodies of living humans) from decimal places well beyond the thousands to a few hundred cases world-wide.  I find it funny that Carter fully "got" that for this to work, they had to teach the women, that teaching this to the men was simply wasted effort!

His book "A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence and Power" is a powerful and very disturbing read.  I went to hear him talk about it at Portland's iconic bookstore.  Turned out he wasn't going to talk, just sign the books.  Well, I was there so I bought one and got in line.  Roughly number 600 of a thousand.  Hours later when my turn came, a shrunken old man scribbled his signature in my book without ever looking up.  I could be disappointed,  Instead I felt honored to be in the presence of perhaps the humblest man I will ever meet.

Ben
79pmooney

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11/07/2019 12:02 PM
Bah! My internet provider bogging down as I posted. Didn't "copy" the text just in case. Bogged down again after I edited a couple of posts, then I was outside the 15 minute Edit window.

Lesson? The phone company keeps sending me these not-so-subtle messages that I should switch to ComCast, the only other provider in the area. Or go satellite. I have no desire to go satellite and will not sell my soul to ComCast. (I wish Frontier could weasel its way in here.)

Ben
79pmooney

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11/07/2019 12:03 PM
And even that post didn't go well.  I'm going off to clean the garage. 
jookey

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11/07/2019 03:41 PM
This is quite the discussion. 7 pages and no real arguments (ok, many of the pages are due to Ben's service provider). I don't really believe in the anyone but Trump mentality. I agree that he may be a DB and should probably stop with the social media. I'm from Massachusetts, and I cannot see myself voting for EITHER Bernie or Warren. I don't care for either and would pull the lever for the current administration (I'd be holding my nose as I did so). Hey, don't dispair, I'm in MA. You could put a circus clown in the election with a (D) after the name and they'd win MA, so my vote doesn't mean much. Personally, I think Biden has the best shot. He can take it and roll with the punches. Mayor Pete is my favorite. Many say that his lifestyle is an issue. I could care less. I think his problem is lack of experience. Mayor in Indiana... He is too young and needs to beef up the resume. Use this to leapfrog to Gov or Sen, or a cabinet position. You'll be ready in about 8 years to mount a serious challenge. Klobuchar could be a good candidate, but hasn't really gotten anyone excited. She lacks the "it" factor. I guess we shall see what happens. It's gonna probably change a bunch of times between now and next summer once some of the players exit.
Cosmic Kid

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11/07/2019 03:46 PM
What Ben said 15 times...

Carter is undeniably our greatest former President. A man of strength, humility and compassion.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Cosmic Kid

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11/07/2019 04:53 PM
Oh, FFS....

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/michael-bloomberg-alabama-2020-primary/index.html
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
huckleberry

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11/07/2019 06:34 PM
Carter is the only Christian I have felt truly walks the walk - and I am talking of everyone, not just past presidents. Except of course the fictional man-god Jesus ; )

Bloomberg... I'm with you CK... Oh, FFS!
Orange Crush

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11/07/2019 06:49 PM
This had been coming for awhile. It was him or Clinton 3.0, no?
Orange Crush

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11/08/2019 09:13 PM
Would all of your troubles with outsized role of early states in primaries and outsized role of couple thousand swing voters in a handful of states in general election go away if electors were allotted proportionally to vote in each state instead of winner takes all?

This would seem like an easy change. And isn't this already in place in some states? Maybe just one. Oh, and way to create a silence jookey.
Cosmic Kid

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11/09/2019 09:32 AM
Yeah, I have advocated for a proportional allocation of EC votes for years. The reality is that there are good reasons for the Electoral College, but the “winner takes all” format essentially means tens of millions of votes essentially don’t count and you have outweighted emphasis on a few critical states. In many ways, it creates the result the EC was designed to avoid.

Nebraska and I think Maine currently have proportional allocation.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
longslowdistance

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11/09/2019 11:21 AM
I may have this wrong, but at least Maine’s version is not really proportional voting, but rather based on congressional districts, plus two to the winner. Not sure how Nebraska’s works.
Cosmic Kid

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11/09/2019 12:05 PM
Perhaps not proportional, but not “winner take all”...

I would be OK with results being based on congressional districts or counties or whatever. I do think that a bonus of some number of EC votes would be critical, as Maine has.

If you are a Republican in IL, you might as well not even vote (or a Dem in Texas)...the state is a foregone conclusion and your vote will never even be a factor in the process. And that is wildly anti-democratic, IMO.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Orange Crush

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11/09/2019 01:17 PM
We got the same winner takes all in Canada just more parties to choose from and more sensible parties overall.

My town is a solid union town so always votes for socialist candidate. Fortunately he's also the best candidate we have.

Nationally Justin won even though he lost the popular vote.

The Cons won the popular vote but their vote share is heavily centered in two provinces. Those two provinces just elected Conservative candidates with about 2 third of vote share but now have zero representation in government.

Winner takes all feeds us versus them and party tribalism. It also feeds into creating geographic us versus them and weakens the overall fabric of the country.
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