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stronz

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05/24/2013 10:49 AM
canuck I think is right. I just cant accept that Nibali is that much better than everybody. He made a remark that indicates he has bought into his own koolaide -- said that he was generally good at uphill timetrials and referenced the Plan de corones climb in 08. Said he had finished fourth. Only he had finished 18th. I dont think its normal to get that wrong. I think he is dirty.
Entheo

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05/24/2013 10:54 AM
Posted By Doug Sheppard on 05/24/2013 10:18 AM
From @lancearmstrong: Knowing I have 0 cred on the doping issue - I still can't help but think, "really Di Luca? Are you that fooking stupid??"

Yup!


that's legit -- i checked it on twitter. interesting how lance is starting to reemerge. he evidently also had a conversation with patrick o'grady at red kite prayer.
PlanB

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05/24/2013 01:14 PM
Me three. Looking at Nibali day after day I find myself, erm, bemused. To me, this is not a normal-looking performance. To cast suspicion on, let alone condemn, someone without evidence feels uncomfortable, but this is weird riding and doesn't resemble any cycle racing that I'm familiar with.
BobGolden

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05/24/2013 01:16 PM
It's hard to even label it as "news", just another day in the life of the "killer." Like KR and many others, the news to me was that anyone would give him a ride.
pikeHillRoad

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05/24/2013 01:55 PM
Hey PlanB - Aside from the TT, what strikes you as weird riding? Nibali seems super strong, but is there anything in how he is approaching the racing that hits you? really I am just curious. I personally cannot recall him ever be this strong on a sustained basis.
jmdirt

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05/24/2013 03:00 PM
Entheo, do you have a link for that? I can only find this open letter from Pat to LA:
http://redkiteprayer.com/tag/lance-armstrong/ (scroll down pas the lycra blurp)
PlanB

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05/24/2013 03:39 PM
The hardest element, arguably, in cycling is rhythm change. It's the last piece of the conditioning puzzle to fall into place, and it usually doesn't happen at all without racing, where rhythms are naturally stochastic and violent in a way that is elusive in training. But even at the point of peak form, it's the element that is most vulnerable because so much glycogen is deployed in those explosive moments. Starch replenishment being notoriously difficult in stage racing, ten days into it you're starting to go into a glycogen and substrate deficit. On each successive day, a little less is available for that stage. Being very careful and very judicious with efforts that exceed sustainable, steady, oxidative thresholds merely delays the onset of that baseline deficit. So you may see climbers, say, going well in the second and third weeks if, and only if, they have been protected from violent activity beforehand.

What's weird-looking to me about Nibali is that his efforts, his heavy accelerations as well as his responses to those of others, day after day, don't seem to be of the slightest concern to him. There's no husbanding of energy here. There's no sense of playing anything safely, waiting for others to undo damage from attacks and so forth. The fittest 'natural' rider in a Grand Tour, however great his talent, shouldn't be able to do this, these big detonations, on more than two or three occasions in the whole race. But pretty much every day, Nibali's riding has looked to me like what a clean classics guy can just barely manage on a single Sunday.

And, yeah, that time trial ...
Entheo

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05/24/2013 03:47 PM
Posted By Justin jmdirt on 05/24/2013 03:00 PM
Entheo, do you have a link for that? I can only find this open letter from Pat to LA:
http://redkiteprayer.com/tag/lance-armstrong/ (scroll down pas the lycra blurp)


the conversation is referenced on lance's twitter feed. go to twitter and search for @lancearmstrong
Keith Richards

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05/24/2013 05:16 PM
I admit to being surprised about the extent to which people are distancing themselves. He is being totally thrown under the bus.
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
Keith Richards

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05/24/2013 07:05 PM
Robert Millar takes Danilo DiLuca to the woodshed FOR REAL.

OUCH!
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
pikeHillRoad

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05/24/2013 07:56 PM
PlanB thanks for the insight. It certainly rings right to me but I am pretty removed.
Entheo

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05/25/2013 09:06 AM
Posted By Brendan Frye on 05/24/2013 03:39 PM
The hardest element, arguably, in cycling is rhythm change. It's the last piece of the conditioning puzzle to fall into place, and it usually doesn't happen at all without racing, where rhythms are naturally stochastic and violent in a way that is elusive in training. But even at the point of peak form, it's the element that is most vulnerable because so much glycogen is deployed in those explosive moments. Starch replenishment being notoriously difficult in stage racing, ten days into it you're starting to go into a glycogen and substrate deficit. On each successive day, a little less is available for that stage. Being very careful and very judicious with efforts that exceed sustainable, steady, oxidative thresholds merely delays the onset of that baseline deficit. So you may see climbers, say, going well in the second and third weeks if, and only if, they have been protected from violent activity beforehand.

What's weird-looking to me about Nibali is that his efforts, his heavy accelerations as well as his responses to those of others, day after day, don't seem to be of the slightest concern to him. There's no husbanding of energy here. There's no sense of playing anything safely, waiting for others to undo damage from attacks and so forth. The fittest 'natural' rider in a Grand Tour, however great his talent, shouldn't be able to do this, these big detonations, on more than two or three occasions in the whole race. But pretty much every day, Nibali's riding has looked to me like what a clean classics guy can just barely manage on a single Sunday.

And, yeah, that time trial ...


i haven't had the luxury of witnessing any of the giro this year, so it's not possible for me to see what's fishy. however, roberto heras, in an interview many years ago, talked about the changes in rhythm being key to destroying your opponents on climbs. and he should know, fueled as he was by Edgar. only so many matches to burn, so if it looks like rasmussen/contador heaping multiple salvos on each other day after day, it's probably a duck.
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