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Last Post 07/10/2013 06:56 PM by Orange Crush. 43 Replies.
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jmdirt

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07/06/2013 04:12 PM
Since both of the threads on the professional racing forum belong here I'll pull the conversation over. ;[ Winning a mountain stage by a few minutes is believable. Winning a mountain stage at the same speed as the best dopers ever...;[ Another sign will be what happens tomorrow. Maybe CF & RP were on fire today and AV, AC, CE... were on bad days. CF & RP should show some signs of their effort today.;\ inferno, After you ranted about dopers you typed: "As far as Tejay is concerned I'm not sure what he did before the climbs but he looked like dog $4it and was no help to Cadel at all. HA.....this dude thinks he's a contender. BMC is a joke." Maybe TVG and/or BMC is racing clean(er). If that is the case, they looked awesome to me.;}
Inferno7

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07/06/2013 05:37 PM
Good point JM
Dale

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07/06/2013 06:02 PM
If Froome and company implode tomorrow I'll have a different take but if it's a repeat of today then I'll think it's a repeat of 1999
madvax

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07/06/2013 06:52 PM
+1 Dale. I was so hoping for a good TdF. Hard to believe RP could do all that pulling and still dominate the rest of the field. I am so bummed.
Orange Crush

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07/06/2013 09:25 PM
+2 Dale. Maybe we can check with our new UCI prez to be what's going on? He has some Sky connections, no?
Keith Richards

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07/07/2013 10:01 AM
Well, you all have your answer I think.
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
Dale

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07/07/2013 10:22 AM
+1 Keith, that was a believable performance... or rather a believable non-performance

Maybe it's not 1999
Orange Crush

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07/07/2013 11:26 AM
Maybe...or maybe they got slapped on the wrist.
JS

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07/07/2013 01:07 PM
I'm with OC on this one, today was SKY damage control. The cycling world did a collective eyeroll after yesterday, literally every forum I visit whether it be local or international the sentiment was the same, SKY is cheating. Today was SKY's attempt at making things look less ridiculous and Porte was the sacrificial lamb.
Keith Richards

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07/07/2013 01:24 PM
The conjecture and accusations by cycling's own fans is just crazy. It is like I used to say about Eric Clapton...he knows how good he is and his limitations, it is his fans calling him God that are ridiculous. Fans chocking out their own sport...just sad. I guess the riders have only themselves to blame. But then again, if you are a true fan of the sport from a historical perspective, you enjoy the sport for what it is.
----- It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
JS

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07/07/2013 03:02 PM
Posted By Keith Jackson on 07/07/2013 01:24 PM
The conjecture and accusations by cycling's own fans is just crazy.

6.4w/kg is not conjecture.

Third fastest ascent is not conjecture.

large gap to other favorites on a short climb not conjecture.

After all we've been through as fans I'm surprised by your lack of skepticism.


jmdirt

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07/07/2013 03:35 PM
I just can't get past the time up the climb. If EPO/CERA/Blood manip/HGH/testo were as great as we have all read and talked about then a clean guy could not even get close to the times of those who took full advantage of doping.

KR, two years ago I said a very similar thing "how could true cycling fans think/feel this way?". I sadly ate crow, lots o crow, for that.
jookey

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07/07/2013 07:58 PM
Porte paid for yesterday. The time to the summit of a climb is a function of how hard they slammed it at the bottom. They were hammering. While this does not prove doping or not, how he entire climb is ridden need to be taken into into effect. If the group is chasing, you can surf and attack late.

Sky doing damage control by isolating froome today is absolutely assine. What is dumb is that sky did not hold Rogers back yesterday to support for today. They had two riders in position. Why sacrifice one. Now if froome cracks, they are do e.


Entheo

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07/07/2013 08:57 PM
Posted By jeff sanford on 07/07/2013 01:07 PM
I'm with OC on this one, today was SKY damage control. The cycling world did a collective eyeroll after yesterday, literally every forum I visit whether it be local or international the sentiment was the same, SKY is cheating. Today was SKY's attempt at making things look less ridiculous and Porte was the sacrificial lamb.


LOL, Sky - so good they're ordered to the back of the peloton for outstanding performance on a mountain stage. they must not have gotten that memo during last year's tour.
JS

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07/07/2013 09:31 PM
Posted By Michael Carbajal on 07/07/2013 07:58 PM
Porte paid for yesterday. The time to the summit of a climb is a function of how hard they slammed it at the bottom. They were hammering. While this does not prove doping or not, how he entire climb is ridden need to be taken into into effect. If the group is chasing, you can surf and attack late.

Sky doing damage control by isolating froome today is absolutely assine. What is dumb is that sky did not hold Rogers back yesterday to support for today. They had two riders in position. Why sacrifice one. Now if froome cracks, they are do e.



They hadn't intended on leaving Froome alone, Kennaugh was with him but was crashed out of the front group. Honestly, I don't think you understand how huge the fallout was from yesterday. Even Bob Roll commented how social media was blowing up with accusations. L'equipe printed a headline "Froome like Armstrong", SKY needed to do something, even if it meant Froome losing the lead for a bit so be it. After Saturdays fallout there was no way SKY was going to let Froome AND Porte kick the crap out of the best riders in the world, so Porte purposely loses enough time where he's no longer on the radar and looks semi-human. SKY is still going to crush this tour and Porte will not have another bad day, mark my words. Also, Rodgers is no longer with SKY he rides for Saxo-Tinkoff.
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