stronz
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| 11/06/2013 01:23 PM |
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/lance-armstrong-exclusive-interview-part-2 |
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stronz
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| 11/06/2013 01:32 PM |
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| -- funny how no one has brought this up -- I think we are truly getting to the point where absolutely nobody gives a crap. But I did find some things interesting. Still comes off a bit disingenuous but I think thats the nature of this beast -- he's just a phony. One thing he says -- with ttime people will realize he was just doing what everyone else was doing. Boy thats funny. i'm pretty sure no one else was ruining the careers of his ex team-mates and their spouses, lying under oath to gain million dollar bonuses, starting a foundation based on a big fat enormous lie,....did I leave anything out? Oh yeah when asked if he doped in 2009/10 he tellingly states that he wasnt doping as evidenced by the fact that "he sucked those years" obviously the guy believes he could be a world beater only if he was on the sauce. |
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ChinookPass
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| 11/06/2013 01:40 PM |
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Gotta say the candor is refreshing.
Though you can still see him trying to figure out how he would have done things differently but still in the light of trying to have avoided being caught. There is still a chasm of perspective that he is missing. Those of us over here who were coming of age as fans and as racers during his rise and fall didn't have the facility to see what he saw or what the insider journalists were all in on. He still doesn't quite see the huge story he built and why the guy who stood on the podium with the microphone makes us all cringe. |
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Orange Crush
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| 11/06/2013 01:45 PM |
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Agreed Chinook - I very much like the candor. There's a lot of truth in that interview.
but cycling tried with some pressure to implement things that were just band-aids over the course of time. Whether it was just the 50 per cent rule, which was what it was – it wasn’t perfect but it was a step. But the sport got no credit for it. That led to more things like the off-score, which led to the biological passport and all the while, no credit. And every other sport that has the doping problem is sitting back and laughing, laughing their asses off, getting no attention, no criticism, no exposure and not doing a fooking thing.
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LA: Well listen, the biggest difference between cycling, football and tennis is the players’ union, an athletes’ union. We have no voice, no unity. There are guys all over the place. Those sports, major league sports, they’re not letting that happen and the owners wouldn’t allow it to happen. Whereas we’ve just been living in the Wild West. The riders have no rights, ASO continues to make millions, the teams don’t own anything. The only thing a team owns is its current contract, and when that’s up you’re fooking done. You might have a couple of buses and a truck. There’s no equity and value. It’s a fooked up business model. |
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Entheo
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| 11/06/2013 03:06 PM |
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hey phil, paul and bobke... your guy is calling you out:
DB: At the same time, you had a large element in the press corps that didn’t ask you those questions and wrote glowingly of you.
LA: Yep.
DB: They must have known, too, or had their suspicions but didn’t write about it. How did that relationship work?
LA: I don’t know. I think, as you know, the press room at the Tour is a weird place. You have a thousand people there. Okay so you have guys who really know, know cycling left, right and centre, upside down and inside out. They knew. They knew everything, all that $4it, but they were friends with the players. Then you had a new generation of journalists and then you had those who were there just to cover a doping story. They didn’t care about a bike race, they didn’t care about a crash, they just came waiting for a car crash. |
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Orange Crush
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| 11/06/2013 03:55 PM |
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That's another good section in the interview but the list of journos is a lot longer than the hapless trio.
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Cosmic Kid
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| 11/06/2013 04:18 PM |
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I can't believe he is still spinning this "I was just doing what everyone was doing" bullschitt.
No, Lance....you weren't. You were the one suing people, getting them fired and actively trying to ruin people's lives. The fact that he thinks this is still just about doping is absolutely staggering.
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jrt1045
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| 11/06/2013 04:42 PM |
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he kinda threw Hampsten under the bus in one question, that was weird
He's become a sideshow, getting up there with Ricco and the Chicken as far as desperation for a story about themselves. It would be pathetic if it wasn't so fitting |
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vtguy
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| 11/06/2013 04:50 PM |
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| The guy is a sociopath. I agree with the post, I think it was by stronz, that said that dopping was the least of his offenses. |
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roadbuzz
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| 11/06/2013 07:33 PM |
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| The biggest revelation of TH's book to me; just how big an @ss Lance was/is. |
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stronz
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| 11/06/2013 08:39 PM |
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| yep he was/is a big bully and bullied the sheet out of TH -- and Tyler was very much the worse for it. Now he's trying to pretend he was just like everyone else. Bullying in professional sports -- an interesting topic. Doping was definitely the least of his offenses. |
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stronz
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| 11/07/2013 12:31 PM |
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part III ==>some good stuff there.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/lance-armstrong-exclusive-interview-part-3 |
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jmdirt
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| 11/07/2013 02:37 PM |
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Cosmic (and others), the doping case IS just about doping (or should be). All of the other stuff is a civil case maybe but should be separate. I won't for one minute say that he wasn't a giant A hole who destroyed other peoples' lives but that is a separate issue. He posed the same Q I posed in May/June. Why should his doping sanction be any different than any of the others? So many people are stuck on him being a "big bully" but that is beside the point. Being a nice guy doesn't make the others any less of a doper/cheater.
Related: I still have trouble with all of the guys who are keeping quiet..."don't say anything and maybe we will sneak by." |
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Orange Crush
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| 11/07/2013 02:54 PM |
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Posted By Justin jmdirt on 11/07/2013 02:37 PM
Related: I still have trouble with all of the guys who are keeping quiet..."don't say anything and maybe we will sneak by."
They are all eagerly awaiting that TRC so they can sit on Cookson lap and fess up 
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-against-a-truth-and-reconciliation-commission |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 11/07/2013 03:31 PM |
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Posted By Justin jmdirt on 11/07/2013 02:37 PM
Cosmic (and others), the doping case IS just about doping (or should be). All of the other stuff is a civil case maybe but should be separate. I won't for one minute say that he wasn't a giant A hole who destroyed other peoples' lives but that is a separate issue. He posed the same Q I posed in May/June. Why should his doping sanction be any different than any of the others? So many people are stuck on him being a "big bully" but that is beside the point. Being a nice guy doesn't make the others any less of a doper/cheater.
Related: I still have trouble with all of the guys who are keeping quiet..."don't say anything and maybe we will sneak by."
Do you believe his doping transgressions were the same as Hincapie's, VDV's or Zabriskie's? I don't....there is a world of difference between being one of the organizers / ring leaders and simply doping.
As it pertains purely to the USADA actions, I agree 100% that his ban should ONLY be about his doping and related infractions. But, in my book, his transgressions in this area rise FAR above those who received "softer" penalties. |
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