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Cosmic Kid

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08/18/2020 12:38 PM
Also agree w Dale. 58% indicated they will vote Biden cause he’s not Trump. There’s a lack of enthusiasm that needs to be addressed as weak point. You won’t get there going negative but you may get there with some commonsensical proposals.


I don't care why they vote for Biden.....this needs to be a referendum on Trump's failures. Policy is nearly immaterial at this point. Not being Trump is sufficient at this point.

Will it be sufficient for long-term plans? Probably not.....but I don't care. the house is burning down. I'm not really gonna fight over whether we should save the china or the photos at this point. Put the fire out adn then we can examine the damage / establish priorities.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Dale

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08/18/2020 01:02 PM

Posted By Cosmic Kid on 08/18/2020 12:38 PM
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I don't care why they vote for Biden.....this needs to be a referendum on Trump's failures. Policy is nearly immaterial at this point. Not being Trump is sufficient at this point.


Will it be sufficient for long-term plans? Probably not.....but I don't care. the house is burning down. I'm not really gonna fight over whether we should save the china or the photos at this point. Put the fire out adn then we can examine the damage / establish priorities.





Not just Trump's failures but the total collapse of the Republican party and their enabling the very worst of Trumps personality and policies, in addition to their policies that are so lopsidedly tilted to the 1/10 of the top 1%.

Orange Crush

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08/18/2020 04:38 PM

Posted By Cosmic Kid on 08/18/2020 12:38 PM
Also agree w Dale. 58% indicated they will vote Biden cause he’s not Trump. There’s a lack of enthusiasm that needs to be addressed as weak point. You won’t get there going negative but you may get there with some commonsensical proposals.


I don't care why they vote for Biden.....this needs to be a referendum on Trump's failures. Policy is nearly immaterial at this point. Not being Trump is sufficient at this point.



The only reason I am bringing this up is because there was a lack of enthusiasm for Clinton which is a big factor in why she lost. She also decided to do the negative versus negative game against Trump. This is Trumps ground game. Again she lost.Don't want to make same mistakes twice. History shows that Ds need reasons for people to vote for them, not just reasons why they shouldn't vote for the other guy. Otherwise turnout may be affected. When turnout goes down, they lose.


Cosmic Kid

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08/18/2020 11:17 PM
Clinton was a deeply polarizing candidate. Very few people did not have strong feelings about her, either positive or negative.

Biden is, for the most part, not polarizing. So while there may be not be much enthusiasm for him, the fact that there are not strong negative emotions attached to him should help counter that, as long as Trump himself drives such negative reactions.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Cosmic Kid

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08/19/2020 12:08 PM
Was in the market for some new gravel tires after a slideout two weeks ago....wanna guess what brand I just ordered?

Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Orange Crush

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08/19/2020 12:46 PM
How is this in the political thread tho? I now we are stuck with an extra wide political thread.
Cosmic Kid

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08/19/2020 03:44 PM
Trump went on a rant today about Goodyear because someone claimed that they had banned MAGA hats (which they had not).

Don’t buy GOODYEAR TIRES - They announced a BAN ON MAGA HATS. Get better tires for far less! (This is what the Radical Left Democrats do. Two can play the same game, and we have to start playing it now!).


Luckily the thread just went to the next page, so the widey is gone.

He is such a fooking idiot...Goodyear is the last US-owned tire manufacturer, produce in the US and are in one of the most critical swing states....but he got butthurt over a false report and couldn't stop himself from scoring an own goal.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Orange Crush

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08/24/2020 09:55 PM
Excellent read
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/joe-biden-kamala-harris-and-the-limits-of-representation
79pmooney

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08/24/2020 11:34 PM
I didn't read all of the article. I basically agree, but ... the process of change has to start from where we are. Kamela isn't a single mom who has seen that life first hand. But I am quite certain that growing up in Oakland, she saw and heard a lot. I'm willing to bet that she gets Biden's ear re: the realities of race, that Biden will hear and we will start to see changes. (Like Hilary had Bill's ear re: health insurance. That is still a work in progress, but things are changing. I don't expect this race stuff to move much faster. Race relations in this country are steeped in tradition and the unspoken that go back 400 years.

I wish that Biden was someone who "got with the program" wholeheartedly 25 years ago, that Harris had real street cred and on and on. Very seldom do I get my wish in politics. We (liberals, Blacks, other minorities ...) don't get to sit back and expect the world to transform because we have those two in office. But ... we d*** well better get them into office.

OC, Oakland is my favorite city in the country because it is the only one I know of where if I am full of s***, a Black man will have no issue telling me to my face. I lived across the Oakland Estuary on the early '80s. (The island of Alameda; where all roads lead to Oakland.) It is a city where many Blacks hold their heads high. The city in 1979 that had a Black mayor and it wasn't a big deal. (I didn't learn it for a few months after moving to Alameda despite him being newly elected. He was the best on the ballot so the people of Oakland put him in office. Decent mayor. Got re-elected. But in Oakland (unlike the rest of the country it wasn't a big deal. Any time I went anywhere else it was "you have that Black mayor!" Oakland is the city where Black Power made a major change that still rings true. I wish Oakland was the rule and not the exception.
Orange Crush

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08/25/2020 09:57 AM
We had a friend who lived in Oakland and went to school at Berkeley so regularly visited back in early 90s. Quite the contrast with west bay once you exit BART.

The issue here is that a promise of a return to “normal” is perfectly fine for those who are middle class and better, and its enough to get them to a voting booth (or mailbox). But we are privileged. For those at bottom of pile, and this includes a significant portion of crucial black vote, there’s precious little difference between normal and Trump. They’ve also seen that under Obama not much if anything changed. So it’s about “show me the money”, what will you do for us? Absence of that means they may not vote again. This is the key risk for Biden. Just putting a black female VP on ticket doesn’t cut it as Obama showed. In absence of a message I could see odds of a Biden Harris ticket decline towards November. Trump understands this, and definitely has a message, as xenophobic and outrageous as that message may be, it does energize his base.
Cosmic Kid

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08/25/2020 10:11 AM
In absence of a message I could see odds of a Biden Harris ticket decline towards November. Trump understands this, and definitely has a message, as xenophobic and outrageous as that message may be, it does energize his base.


the race will inevitably tighten....it always does.

And Trump's "Law & Order" messaging is already gaining traction and will only gain more momentum as protests turn into riots. Kenosha, Portland is a mess, etc.

Everyone was OK with the protests for awhile, especially when they were generally peaceful. Now all the white folks only see violence and just want to black folks to go back to life as "normal" (i.e. when they didn't have to think about it).

Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
79pmooney

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08/25/2020 11:45 AM
I hope the protests don't derail the election. But I also hope they continue a long time. The last sentence of the article OC linked to summed my feelings. (And what was done 50 years ago better in Oakland than any other US city.)

"But I think often of what Malcolm once said about freedom: 'You get your freedom by letting your enemy know that you’ll do anything to get your freedom. Then you’ll get it. It’s the only way you’ll get it.’”

Malcolm X got that slavery never ended in this country. It just changed forms. We think of the 13th Amendment as abolishing slavery. It doesn't. In fact, it is the first time slavery is addressed, recognized and formalized. Yes. private ownership of slaves was prohibited under the amendment. But slavery was perpetuated to eternity as part of the penal system.

When the country was founded, the vast majority of Blacks were born slaves (like horses were born horses). After the civil war there were a few years of chaos when these slaves were allowed to run wild. Only recourse was to use vigilante justice as applied by the KKK. The 13th Amendment restored order. Now, the wording changed. Blacks now were not born slaves, they were born felons. (Butd speaking that now understood wording - verboten.)

The return to slavery and order. Now, since Blacks (and especially Black males; being the most useful slaves) were default felons, all you had to do was stop, arrest, convict and incarcerate them. Now they were in their proper place, slaves for the duration of their incarceration and marked for life.

Now, various court rulings and other changes, made to appeal to the liberals, meant that if you stopped a Black man for DWB, you could never say those words and in fact you had to find a different reason to have stopped him and a different reason to arrest him. (A bag of dope tossed in the trunk works quite well. In court, the officer's word counts for far more than that of a Black felon and remember, he was a felon long before this stop; in fact dating back to birth.) Aside: before the Civil War, there were blacks in the north that were free men. But Federal marshals frequently arrested them and "returned" them to slave owners, the proper duty of that marshal being to return Blacks to where the "belonged" as men born into slavery. Now it is the "duty" of law enforcement to do the same, serve those Black men with felonies.

Oh, and back to slavery. Yes, private ownership of slaves is no longer, but the government does contract out the keeping and use of slaves through the privatization of prisons and contracting that slave work to factories and farms has been happening all along.

I want to see the day when this stuff gets talked about because until it does, nothing important is changing. We've been talking around what is for 200 years. That we have, as a core element of our existence, a non-white people still that are born to be slaves and white people for whom their calling is to return them to that slavery (or administer the "justice" of ending their lives).

What we have now is a system of laws and enforcement founded on beliefs passed father to son that will take generations to change. My dream is that I get to hear others speak openly about what I just wrote. That will be the start. (Please, another Malcolm X that gets a longer reign in the spotlight.)

Ben
Orange Crush

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08/25/2020 12:49 PM
Trump will of course want to see those violent protests continue because it helps him. He can use the federal forces to stoke those protests. He can do exactly that because of Patriot Act and powers given to DHS. In this, the legacy of W is the gift that keeps on giving, despite W's protestations that Trump would abuse those powers. The scenario that plays out now was predicted but waved aside as "nah, that's never going to happen". Return to normal should not be removal of Trump, but removal of conditions that allowed his rise to power.
longslowdistance

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08/25/2020 09:01 PM
Please continue regarding the conditions the help create the current situation, seriously, I read your insights with interest.
I'll add a comment: the USA has done a lot right and wrong, IMO a lot right, but when we get scared, we do stuff that we later regret. Examples: the Aliens and Sedition act (look it up), interment of asian americans in WW2, and some of the response after 9/11. Not to mention the elephant at the table that the majority of the general public is just now starting to regret, subjugation of blacks. All this said, the 9/11 sucker punch also is a legitimate conditioner.
Cosmic Kid

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08/26/2020 10:48 AM
I am seething this morning....some militia cosplay yahoo shot and killed two protestors last night in Kenosha....cops not only welcomed their presence, but gave them water and thanked them for being out there.
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