79pmooney
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| 03/30/2021 11:24 PM |
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OC, so you're getting in line at the soup kitchen? (Supermarket XYZ had a surplus of lettuce. Brought us a truckload so this week we're doing salads.)
Good for you! Is AZ a once or twice? Wait? |
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Dale
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| 03/31/2021 09:01 AM |
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#2 for me on Tuesday!!
Side note, a sales rep I know and occasionally cross paths with is in Barnes Jewish hospital in St. Louis on an ECMO machine. Until 6 weeks ago a COVID skeptic and repeatedly mocked the reported numbers on social media. Now his family updates are filled with "Wear the mask!" "This stuff is real!" and other admonitions to pray, take this serious, etc. etc. I'm surprised at how angry I am at him when I should have more compassionate thoughts. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 03/31/2021 10:48 AM |
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I'm surprised at how angry I am at him when I should have more compassionate thoughts.
I'm fairly infamous for posting a Tony Soprano GIF that has him shrugging and saying "What are you gonna do?" in these situations....easy to be cavalier and indifferent when it is someone you don't actually know.
So I totally get that anger...and you can be both angry and compassionate simultaneously. They don't need to be mutually exclusive emotions.
Glad to hear you are getting #2 on Tuesday. I'll be a week behind you...can't wait. Our two older daughters have both gotten their first shots, too....so we are 3/5 for family members. Mrs. CK still needs to wait at least another month before she can get one and our youngest daughter is only 15, so no vaccine for her until Aug. 1....but we are getting there. |
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Orange Crush
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| 03/31/2021 11:14 AM |
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Posted By Cosmic Kid on 03/30/2021 09:23 PM
Awesome news, OC!!
Good for me. Not so good for those who were supposed to get these shots. Curious what Plan B will be for them.
In the end this is about getting our defense up as society so its the overall pace that matters.
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Cosmic Kid
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| 03/31/2021 04:46 PM |
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
15M J&J doses ruined....all US future US production halted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/world/johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-mixup.html |
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longslowdistance
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| 03/31/2021 05:58 PM |
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/world/johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-mixup.html
Netherlands 1
USA 0
(Gloating from OC is permitted.)
Good news is that the anticipated doses from Holland are still coming. J and J subcontracted the Baltimore plant of another company that would have massively boosted supply. But dumbasses there ruined 2+ weeks worth and now it’s all stopped for a massive QC review. |
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longslowdistance
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| 03/31/2021 06:07 PM |
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| The F-up subcontractor Emergent Biosolutions’ stock had been taking a beating for a while. Just speculation, but I could see some manager in the trenches under huge pressure from above to go fast taking a dumb risk - just to make his or her boss happy. |
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Orange Crush
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| 03/31/2021 06:19 PM |
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Posted By Frederick Jones on 03/31/2021 05:58 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/world/johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-mixup.html
Netherlands 1
USA 0
(Gloating from OC is permitted.)
Not sure what this is about (will read) but momentary gloating is about
Germany 1
North Macedonia 2
(the real football - of course)
The magical AZ distribution amongst 55-65 year olds turned into an uncontrolled stampede (predictably since there was no planning around it). Will wait it out until dust settles.
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longslowdistance
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| 03/31/2021 06:43 PM |
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Which is more gloatworthy?
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Orange Crush
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| 03/31/2021 07:30 PM |
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The football 100%.
The vaccine production - we’re all in this together as long as it gets done. I’d put the unclogging of Suez above it as that required some out of box thinking. Whichever way we turn it a good week for the orange. Flanders win as cherry on pie?! |
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79pmooney
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| 03/31/2021 07:52 PM |
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I actually take this as inevitable but not disaster. Inevitable if we are going to ramp up production like we were building ships, planes and tanks in WW2. The disaster would be been to put this all through the usual FDA procedures and standards, even if the rollout happened perfectly. (WW2 had plenty of production screw-ups that cost American lives. I've read of a few. One I read recently was the B17s sent to England being equipped with machine guns lubed with oil contaminated with water. (Probably most of our infantry and tanks got the same guns.) At sea level, so what? (The guns probably got so hot the water boiled off.) But at 30,000 feet? That oil froze and the guns didn't fire. The mechanics knew. They stripped and re-lubed the guns on the new planes. But some got through. The book "A Higher Call" is about one of those B17s that had 2 guns working (of 11).
The WW2 smashing success and total rush job, much like the vaccines, the P51 Mustang. Not perfect on rollout. Did what it was supposed to but speed and power were not better than OK. (The Allison in-line engine didn't have the massive power of an aircooled radial engine of the same size and weight.) Then some bright mechanic got the idea to rip that engine out and cram in the English Rolls-Royce Merlin. That turned it into one of the best propeller fighters ever and still left it with the capacity to fly from England, deep into Germany, do combat with excellent fighters that paid no penalty for range and fly home. (And luckily for the Mustang and the Allied world, a very poor decision was made in Germany to shelve the first jet fighter to concentrate on building bombers. The Messerschmidt 262. 100 mph faster than the Mustang. In equal numbers, it would have been a s*** show for us. Instead, we outnumbered the 262s 10-1 when it finally came out and Germany had lost most of the pilots skilled enough to fly them. Again - the importance of good pandemic/war decision making.)
Screw-ups and all, we succeeded in producing ships faster than the Germans could sink them. Planes faster than they could be shot down. I like that we are taking nearly that approach now. (Two of the first things Joe Biden did was was get Merx (sp) to make the Pfizer vaccine and give J & J the go-ahead 2 days after the emergency approval. Granted, we won't really see the effects of this until fall. Too bad those talks weren't started last July but that's water over the dam.) |
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longslowdistance
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| 03/31/2021 08:35 PM |
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Ben I enjoy and look forward to you your posts, but this is an inexcusable avoidable screw up at a critical time in our democracy. Like grounding 30000 liberators while the Nazis are close to an Abomb.
PS:
USA: f’in nazis
Netherlands: thank you! |
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longslowdistance
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| 03/31/2021 08:38 PM |
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Posted By Frederick Jones on 03/31/2021 08:35 PM
Ben I enjoy and look forward to you your posts, but this is an inexcusable avoidable screw up at a critical time in our democracy. Like grounding 30000 liberators while the Nazis are close to an Abomb.
PS:
USA on 1940s:We hate Nazis, and will spill our blood to prove it.
Netherlands: thank you!
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longslowdistance
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| 03/31/2021 08:44 PM |
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Posted By Frederick Jones on 03/31/2021 08:38 PM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 03/31/2021 08:35 PM
Ben I enjoy and look forward to you your posts, but this is an inexcusable avoidable screw up at a critical time in our democracy. Like grounding 30000 bombers while the Nazis are close to an Abomb.
PS:
USA in 1942: We hate Nazis, and will spill our blood to prove it.
Netherlands: thank you!
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Orange Crush
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| 03/31/2021 08:44 PM |
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FWIW the Netherlands was mostly liberated by Canadian first army while USA spearheaded into Germany presumably to end war as quickly as possible and prevent commies from gathering too much real estate.
In return we donate a bunch of tulips to Ottawa but that is really a ploy to sell even more of them. |
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