Orange Crush
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| 06/09/2021 09:02 PM |
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| Nope. We will not be dictated. Pace is good and being determined through interaction between feds and provinces. We’re not the political pinball machine that’s the us. |
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longslowdistance
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| 06/09/2021 09:12 PM |
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Ha, you are a contrarian supreme! Kudos for consistency!
More US dollars will be diverted elsewhere. |
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Orange Crush
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| 06/09/2021 09:20 PM |
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| That’s cool. If there’s anything we’ve learned over last number of years it’s that the US cannot be relied upon. When you’re in an unstable relationship you gotta check for alternatives. |
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longslowdistance
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| 06/09/2021 10:19 PM |
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The alternative being . . . less volatility and less money. Even the new ugly mericans (the Chinese) won't come close to refilling those coffers. But good on ya for poking eyes when it feels good. Lord knows the US deserves it. OTOH, cutting off one's nose to spite one's face has its downsides. Vancouver is so rich it won't care. Prince George? Fort Nelson? Whitehorse? Not so much.
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Orange Crush
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| 06/09/2021 10:43 PM |
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| Oh those dollars will come back spite notwithstanding that’s the great irony of it. Most of the rural areas have pushed for the within province travel ban that remains in place (to be ended next week), they didn’t even want us Vancouverites coming over, let alone the US border which is seen as a real no brainer to be dealt with down the road. That is why our PM is taking it slow. |
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79pmooney
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| 06/10/2021 10:32 AM |
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So, Canada takes the US Declaration of Independence promise of "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" as written, life coming first whereas we take it as "pursuit of happiness/money, liberty and life if it doesn't interfere with the first two".
I always thought the authors got it right but then, I've always been a little different. |
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Orange Crush
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| 06/10/2021 11:09 AM |
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Ben - that is basically correct. While it may seem that we are returning to a baseline (case loads are down but hospitalizations are still about a factor 2-3 above where they should be), variants could throw a wrench into this real quick so caution remains a golden rule, certainly as long as 2nd doses are still being administered. Nicely explained here:
https://vancouversun.com/news/canada/race-is-on-for-canada-to-vaccinate-its-way-out-of-potential-fourth-wave-driven-by-delta-variant/wcm/a6ed93e1-2aeb-4972-bf79-386b83d3326e
Emerging new variants will continue to remain a threat as long as global vaccination levels are low (currently at a meager 10% or so). So it will be 2023/24 before we are out of this thing as a planet. No use to rush anything. |
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79pmooney
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| 06/11/2021 11:30 AM |
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| Edit: wrong thread! |
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Orange Crush
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| 07/19/2021 02:59 PM |
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And here you go, border will open up Aug 9 for vaccinated individuals. Not surprising this coincides when Canada will have roughly completed the second dose administrations at current pace.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-border-measures-reopening-1.6107988
Probably too late to rescue tourist season (but lots of domestic tourism to make up and not sure folks should be coming west coast anyway unless they like inhaling forest fire smoke) but cross-border shopping which is huge for both sides of border will certainly pick up immediately. |
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longslowdistance
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| 07/19/2021 05:52 PM |
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| Word is biden told them the US would open unilaterally. Forced Trudeau’s hand. |
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Orange Crush
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| 07/19/2021 06:29 PM |
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| I'm sure that what mericans would like to believe haha. No, this has been talked about between provinces and feds over the last month and a bit; pretty much knew this was coming based on vaccination trajectories; that was always going to be the decision gate. |
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Orange Crush
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| 07/21/2021 10:48 AM |
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Haha, I wonder whose hand is being forced. The US side was clearly not ready for Canadian announcement. Yes it may be unilaterally opened but from north side. Biden is getting roasted by his fellow democrats.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-us-land-border-1.6110800 |
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longslowdistance
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| 07/21/2021 12:32 PM |
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| I stand corrected. It was Chuck Shumer NY senator among others who was pushing for a unilateral opening by the US. |
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Orange Crush
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| 07/21/2021 02:32 PM |
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| Anyway, all the politics aside, Delta is making life interesting. Case loads are slowly creeping up in both US and Canada again although not to a concerning degree at moment. But in Israel, Pfizer covid prevention effectiveness dropped to 60% with Delta in the mix which is maybe foretelling. And the Aussies which faired really well early on are now feeling the pinch of rolling lockdowns due to very slow vaccination rollout combined with Delta. |
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Dale
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| 07/21/2021 03:48 PM |
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and here I sit at ground zero for stupidity (SW Missouri) where we cling to our guns and religion and hate science. My youngest daughter and wife work at one of the hospitals that's frequently in the news over the number of people on vents.
Frankly at this point I don't care if some hillbilly doesn't want the vaccine but if you get sick just stay home, don't burden the hospital staff, and if you die, then go ahead and do so without burdening the healthcare system (said in my best Ebenezer Scrooge voice).
You have the 'Live free or die' attitude? Cool... knock yourself out. |
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