smokey52
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| 06/13/2021 10:56 PM |
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| I never put anything I need while riding into the center pocket. It's a good place to keep the car key or the map I may need to check when I'm off the bike. The phone can go there too. |
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79pmooney
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| 06/14/2021 10:04 AM |
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Dale, regarding the jersey pockets being up on your back - well, they just haven't yet gotten to the CK approved (and fully aero) just below your neck. (You reach over your shoulder.) The side pockets will be quite small to stay aero while the center will be huge for the tail effect. The plan is to eventually eliminate the side pockets and have all three in line, biggest at your neck, tapering to the smallest midback.
Yes, those lower pockets will be unreachable but by that time, the app to download that stuff to your handlebar computer should be fully dialed in. |
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6ix
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| 06/14/2021 10:59 AM |
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I'll be standing right beside CK on that hill. Absolutely will never have a handlebar bag. The only time I ever had one was when I was in 6th grade and riding a 2-speed Huffy during the summer. Nope, nope, nope.
But interesting that this topic came up today. I've been wearing Castelli Free Air 4.1 (or whatever the heck they call them) for the past few years and the pockets are nearly perfect. Wish they fit just a tad more snug but they keep stuff in place for the most part. I just bought my first Assos jersey and the pockets hang off my butt and look silly. Thus, it's being relegated to being my MTB-only jersey since I wear a camelback for those rides.
Just doesn't make sense to me. Everything else about the jersey fits nicely. Laser cut, tight sleeves and trim fit but yet the pockets could fit an iPad and basically hit my saddle while seated. |
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Orange Crush
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| 06/14/2021 11:32 AM |
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| Hahaha - a camelback. That one for me is in the absolutely no way, never ever category. Not biking in any form, not hiking. Simply no. Nothing will ever go on my back while cycling. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 06/14/2021 02:31 PM |
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I'll be standing right beside CK on that hill. Absolutely will never have a handlebar bag.
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Cosmic Kid
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| 06/14/2021 02:36 PM |
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a camelback. That one for me is in the absolutely no way, never ever category.
I generally detest CamelBak's and avoid them whenever possible....but there are times / events where they are necessary. Unbound (formerly DK) is one such example....
I have used one in the last few weeks on my 110+ mile gravel rides as well as I have been wanting to run simulations for what I will use during The Rift (and both weekends were hot as f*ck). I don't think I'll need the hydration as much on The Rift, but will probably need the storage, as I'll likely need arm & leg / knee warmers, my GoreTex ShakeDry jacket, a pair of wet weather gloves and will undoubtedly need to shed layers.
My pack of choice has been the Chase 1.5L...pretty damn small, but enough liquid / storage for my needs. |
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longslowdistance
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| 06/14/2021 09:26 PM |
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A front bag, properly executed, can provide an aerodynamic advantage over no bag.
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Orange Crush
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| 06/14/2021 10:05 PM |
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Agreed LSD. But I doubt the handlebar bag hesitancy has anything to do with aero. We’re dealing with deniers in denial.
On topic of camelbaks and DK, the Unbound finish line photo of Boswel and Ten Dam has so many “what the hell guys” sidebars once you start focusing on their water carrying devices. Boswel has a chest strap? Is Ten Dam watering his chest, why is that hose so long? Hahaha. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 06/15/2021 09:43 AM |
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But I doubt the handlebar bag hesitancy has anything to do with aero.
Oh, no....that is a big part of my "hell no to handlebar bags" stance. Those things are aero nightmares.
Boswel has a chest strap? Is Ten Dam watering his chest, why is that hose so long?
Chest straps are very common now....even my little 1.5L pack has two of them. Helps stabilize the pack over rough stuff. What surprises me is the waist strap he had, though....WTF is that about?
ten Dam's hose is ridiculously long.....have no idea why he did that.
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Orange Crush
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| 06/15/2021 09:50 AM |
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| Oh yeah I didn’t even touch on the waste strap. That’s half a step removed from Dale’s Fanny pack suggestion. Anyway all of these straps plus weight on your back plus affecting ventilation are all nightmares for ride comfort. Hell no. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 06/15/2021 10:00 AM |
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Hell no.
Yeah, I avoid them whenever possible....I hate riding with stuff on my back. But sometimes they are a necessity. Unbound would be impossible without one. When I did it two years ago, I didn't grab my pack until the first checkpoint, as I knew I could go 65 miles on two bottles in cages. Only grabbed it when necessary for the ~90 miles between checkpoints.
I'll probably use one for The Rift, but if I can find a way to take all I need with me on the bike w/o using one, I definitely will. |
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longslowdistance
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| 06/15/2021 06:49 PM |
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2 cents worth: Camelbacks are comfier with the upright position of recreational mtb-ing, at least for me, compared to nose in the stem hammering.
4-6 hour rides in the humid southeast US mountains, you just plain need a lot of water. I would bring Gatorade power and mix it in the bottle to keep the cramps away. |
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Orange Crush
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| 06/29/2021 03:53 PM |
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We do hot here as well (humid only in winter though). In 2017 I took part in Hellracer 250, it is called that way because it is literally a 250 km ride into hell and back. It was a suitable 40C day.
That area has been setting temperature records last couple days in the heat dome. Yesterday, it was warmer there than it's ever been in Las Vegas, close to 48C.
On Friday I rode relatively nearby in 38C conditions (close but not quite 100F), 140 k on gravel. I had 5 bottles total between bike, handlebar bag and frame bag. My buddy instead had frame bottles plus a 1.5L camelback. He made the mistake of freezing it. Despite the hot weather that thing took forever to melt and yield water in drinkable quantifies. It did keep his back cool though. At some point he figured it out and opened the insulation part of bag, after that the process was faster.
We did have a couple waterfall, soak your head and jersey and refill bottles, type stops. At the end we dove in a glacier fed river. Hypercold. That river may cause flooding later this week due to rapid snowmelt.
https://www.strava.com/activities/5529241273 |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 06/29/2021 04:23 PM |
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Current plan for The Rift is not NOT use a Camelbak. Ordered a couple different frame bags, which I will experiment with this week. (attaches in the rear of the main triangle, between the top and seat tubes).
between that, a bento box, a tool storage ked on the downtube and maybe a seatpack, I should be able to carry the gear I need and then just use jersey pockets for nutrition and arm / knee warmers. |
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Orange Crush
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| 06/29/2021 04:37 PM |
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| CK - this was my first use of framebag. Worked perfectly. Only issue is the attaching straps slightly widen compared to top tube. My legs are a bit X shaped and any extra width creates rubbing. So inside of my right knee is blue. Its not even painful, just slightly annoying. |
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