Oldfart
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| 06/20/2013 08:06 PM |
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wow is all I can say. Super smooth ride over the Hutchinson Fusion tubeless I had before.
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jmdirt
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| 06/20/2013 08:32 PM |
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| Did you use the new Schwalbe sealant too? Or did you stick with Stan's? |
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Inferno7
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| 06/20/2013 08:46 PM |
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| Just put a hole in my Racing Ralph front wheel yesterday. When I mounted them I had very little sealant to put in them, thus the hole did not plug. I give that Schwalbe sealant a try is Excel sells it. By FAR the easiest tire to put on and seal, and I never run the "tubeless EXTRA 400 gram/set tires" . They run a UST bead without the reinforced sidewall great idea 9'er tire under 600 grams. Small Bloc 8's are under 600 to and lighter than the RRs but they don't perform as well. I've been running 24 in the front and 26 in the back and the tires roll really well. |
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79pmooney
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| 06/20/2013 09:03 PM |
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Andy, could you do a test for me? Could you see if inflation of those tires can be started with a frame pump? (Can I ride out of cell phone coverage and get home after tire issues with just my frame pump?)
I am thinking that in time all my wheels will change away from folding clinchers. My "incident" two weeks ago is going to stick in my mind a long time. I want to ride wheels where repeating that situation can't happen. Tight, accurately fitting beaded tires on rims designed to eliminate beads slipping into the center groove and allowing the tire to come off sounds very attractive. (So do sew-ups solidly glued on.)
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Funk
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| 06/20/2013 09:23 PM |
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Where did you find these? I'm about 1500 miles into my Fusion 3's. They have held up well so far (no flats), but they were my first shot at tubeless road tires. I'd like to try something different for comparison.
Thanks. |
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Oldfart
Posts:511
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| 06/20/2013 09:32 PM |
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Ben I don't think you could get them to air up with just a frame pump. They did pump up pretty easily with my Joe Blow floor pump. But there are techniques that one needs to learn. One is to make sure both beads are in the drop channel and use a lubricant like soapy water. Sometimes you need to fiddle the valve area by pushing down on the tire in that area. I read somewhere recently that the Schwalbe sealant is repackaged Stan's. it looks and smells the same and I won't use it on my Dura Ace wheels because they will corrode from the Stan's. I know because I did this and have minor corrosion in the rim bed. The Dura Ace wheels have that carbon fairing bonded to an unanodized aluminum rim. My old scandium Dura ace rims seem immune to corrosion as they have been soaking in Stan's for three years on my cross bike. Those rims are anodized.
I used a little Slime sealant. The shop said it is approved for Shimano wheels. Can't say how well it works yet.
I am really interested in the new Hutchinson 28 road tubeless for my cross bike for gravel and winter. |
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Oldfart
Posts:511
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| 06/20/2013 09:40 PM |
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Oh but if you do puncture a tubeless on the road, just remove the valve from the rim and use a tube.
Oh and Schwalbe claim that the rolling resistance of the Ultremo tubeless is 25% less than the Ultremo regular clincher and Al's better than the Ultremo tubular. Don't know if that's true but I have to say the ride quality is markedly better than even my Zipp 303 tubulars with Vittoria Corsa cx tires. I know I am gushing but I am stunned that I could feel such a difference in ride quality. |
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Funk
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| 06/21/2013 10:25 AM |
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| Thanks for the feedback. |
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Oldfart
Posts:511
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| 06/21/2013 12:36 PM |
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| Funk I missed that question. My local shop had them. I had asked them if they had any tubeless road tires because I like to have spares available because tubeless has not caught on and tires can be hard to find. They called me and I asked them to set a couple aside. Comes in a box of two with a small bottle of sealant and a soapy solution in a bottle with a sponge top to apply to a rim. They mounted by hand easier than the Hutchinson which can be challenging to get on. The technique with tight tires is to use a soapy water solution and to use a rag or full finger gloves for grip. Plus they aired up fairly easily. Hutchinson are perhaps too tight and the bead sticks with a gap that lets air out? Don't know why but the Schwalbes were easy to air up. |
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ChinookPass
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| 06/21/2013 12:49 PM |
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Andy, I'm not familiar with those scandium dura ace wheels. Are they specifically designed for tubeless? Do they have spoke holes and if so, how did you deal with that? Have you used them in the winter and if so, how many winter miles have you put on them?
I've used tubeless (UST) for mtn biking but the wheel developed a leak at some point (never figured out where) and the wheel just wouldn't hold air anymore. But I'm curious if anyone thinks the tubeless road would hold up in a high mileage everyday usage situation. And would I find a good high mileage tire that would be lighter and better riding quality than say an armadillo with tubes? |
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Oldfart
Posts:511
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| 06/21/2013 03:03 PM |
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The first Shimano tubeless road clincher was the scandium wheel. It has been replaced with the one with the carbon fairing bonded on. No spoke holes. Bomber wheels. Use them on my Cross bike. Raced it, winter ride it, ride easy trails with it. Bottomed out lots but the wheels won't go out of true. The first pair I bought used from a local pro but those are worn out through the rim wear indicator dots. Still true.
I think the available tires tend to be racy with a soft grippy rubber so they don't last super long. Tubed Armadillo tires? Better ride quality? Light years better ride quality.
The biggest challenge with road tubeless is tire selection and availability. There just isn't much selection yet. I don't get it either. The ride quality is on par with or better than tubulars without the glue hassle. Rims are heavier but no more than most regular clinchers. |
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Keith Richards
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| 06/21/2013 03:21 PM |
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| I got my first set of Schwalbe tires this spring. I am totally sold on the company. Super grippy and confidence inspiring. |
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pretender
Posts:46
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| 06/21/2013 11:54 PM |
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| I've had no problems using a frame pump on various mtb tires... But I first air them up pretty good with a tube and let em sit for a couple days, let the tire feel its intended form for a bit. Never run road tubeless, and never been in a particular hurry, so results will obviously vary. |
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Gonzo Cyclist
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| 06/23/2013 07:45 AM |
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| Schwalbe makes a good tire, the MTB's are some of the best, a little pricey, but very nice riding. I'l have to check out the tubeless road. Has anyone used Orange Seal? Had a sample from a rep, been using it in my tubeless cross tires, good stuff, not as clumpy as the Stan's, work's well |
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Funk
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| 06/23/2013 11:37 PM |
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| Thanks, Andy. I'll be on the lookout. |
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