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steelbikerider

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09/02/2013 12:00 PM
another one for the old guy. Chris gives us hope. I wish he could have put his act together about 15 years ago. He would have a couple of classic wins and some impressive GT performances. Of course he would also have a stronger link to the past PED riders.
jrt1045

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09/02/2013 12:47 PM
Not falling for this fairy tale

41 and suddenly a grand tour contender? Sorry to be a wet blanket
Ride On

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09/02/2013 01:15 PM
I bet Levi just kicked the couch and yelled Fxxx NO.

Lets see. If I tell the truth I'm out of a job. If I don't I get to continue doing what I love to do and get paid for it.

Sure sure I know it's the right thing to do, but come on. Hard choice yes, but I suspect most of us would choose one over the other for ourselves. Easy enough to tell others what to do, but when faced with it mamas got to eat you know.

Travis get your phone out and start making some calls. I'm sure someone has an axe to grind.
jookey

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09/03/2013 02:05 AM
Omertà...
JS

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09/03/2013 02:19 AM
Lets be fair, the talent in this Vuelta is pretty low. Basso, A tired Nibali, J-rod and Valverde and thibot pinot are who he's up against.
79pmooney

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09/03/2013 02:41 AM
To add to JS's comment, this Vuelta has also been taylor made for Horner. He is not making his gains in places that would surprise anyone.

I have never especially cared for the guy, but I have to admit he has bike abilities similar to mine except about 10 times more. Better after everyone is really whipped. Best when going up, the steeper the better. All skinny arms and legs with a shortish torso that won't win over any girls. Sadly I can relate big time.

Ben
bobswire

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09/03/2013 08:48 AM
Posted By 79 pmooney on 09/03/2013 02:41 AM
To add to JS's comment, this Vuelta has also been taylor made for Horner. He is not making his gains in places that would surprise anyone.

I have never especially cared for the guy, but I have to admit he has bike abilities similar to mine except about 10 times more. Better after everyone is really whipped. Best when going up, the steeper the better. All skinny arms and legs with a shortish torso that won't win over any girls. Sadly I can relate big time.

Ben

Exactly,the only difference I have with Ben's analysis Is, I really like Horner, one my favorite cycling personalities. Seems to keep things in perspective with a smile.

Cosmic Kid

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09/03/2013 09:54 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again.....you don't suddenly become a GT contender @ 41. No way, no how, nuh-uh.

This doesn't even come close to passing the sniff test. I have been pretty adamant about not making assertions on a rider's cleanliness just based on performance alone. But c'mon.....a guy who is widely believed to be rider #15 in the Reasoned Decision suddenly starts contesting the overall in a GT?

Ummmm....how about "No fookin' way."
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
jrt1045

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09/03/2013 10:22 AM
from this day forth I will refer to the rider formerly known as Chris Horner as...Quinceañera

bobswire

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09/03/2013 10:31 AM
Posted By Cosmic Kid on 09/03/2013 09:54 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again.....you don't suddenly become a GT contender @ 41. No way, no how, nuh-uh.

This doesn't even come close to passing the sniff test. I have been pretty adamant about not making assertions on a rider's cleanliness just based on performance alone. But c'mon.....a guy who is widely believed to be rider #15 in the Reasoned Decision suddenly starts contesting the overall in a GT?

Ummmm....how about "No fookin' way."

Yeah, so what? no one I see is really arguing. At this point at least for me, I care less about who or who isn't.
But as Ben stated, Horner has always been a good climber the steeper the better with his relentless out of the saddle style,not fast just consistent. Stage 10 was badly played by the rest of the GC contenders letting him motor away at the 5km mark. By the time nibali realized, it was too late. That was only way Horner was going to win, had he waited until 2 km like they usually do, he wouldn't  have won. It worked out perfectly for Horner, doping or no.
Orange Crush

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09/03/2013 11:43 AM
Don't know who's on the dopa and who isn't but didn't see anything particularly out of the ordinary yesterday, unless of course you consider a geezer being in the lead out of the ordinary. But bear in mind, they are calling this the old guy's Vuelta for a reason, guys like Rodriguez aren't getting any younger either.

To me it seems to come down to Horner being the freshest of them all due to late season start but that will no longer be the case in week 3. Nibali will likely be a lot closer after tomorrow already and in the end I think he will grab the overall.
Cosmic Kid

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09/03/2013 02:54 PM
Yeah, if you are not concerned about doping in the sport, then feel free to cheer on. We can agree to disagree on that point. A POV that I don't necessarily subscribe to, but can certainly understand why others do.

@ OC - I do consider a geezer being in the lead as "out of the ordinary." Horner is the oldest guy to both win a stage and wear a leader's jersey in a GT. Given the doping past of the sport, that strikes me as EXTREMELY unusual, especially given that he has never been able to contest a GT in the past.

There is a bird present and it is quacking and waddling. I'm willing to call it a duck. ;-)
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Dale

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09/03/2013 03:23 PM
My eyebrows were raised a bit at his performance but he did arrive at this race lot fresher than the rest of the field. Not sure if that explains it, not sure if he juiced in the past or if he's on some secret sauce now but the old guard has a funny smell about it even if it's just second-hand stink.
Orange Crush

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09/03/2013 04:05 PM
CK - just generally speaking the age barrier being broken is not one I am very surprised about given how we are evolving. In my mind this was bound to happen sooner rather than later.

But when guys flying up a hill at speeds similar to the era of rabid doping get rationalized away with "at some point clean guys were going to catch up with dirty guys, that is evoluton", it makes my eyes roll a little.

So I think when it comes to doping, there are more fruitful avenues to pursue than the duck that's waddling. Maybe the duck that pretends its a hawk.
bobswire

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09/03/2013 04:11 PM
it's not like it came out of nowhere, ToU final results:

1, Thomas Danielson (Team Garmin Sharp) 23 hours 5 mins 45 secs
2, Christopher Horner (RadioShack Leopard) at 1 min 29 secs
3, Janier Alexis Acevedo Calle (Jamis-Hagens Berman) at 1 min 37 secs
4, Lucas Euser (UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling) at 2 mins 2 secs
5, Matthew Busche (RadioShack Leopard) at 2 mins 6 secs
6, Philip Deignan (UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling) at 2 mins 27 secs
7, Michael Schaer (BMC Racing Team) at 3 mins 11 secs
8, Carter Jones (Bissell Pro Cycling) at 3 mins 49 secs
9, Francisco Mancebo Perez (5-Hour Energy p/b Kenda) at 3 mins 50 secs
10, Tiago Machado (RadioShack Leopard)

Up to this point the stages he won are not that suspicious, especially considering he used the ToU to get ready for this race. Knowing USADA monitored the ToU I doubt they'd of given him a pass if they had found any irregularities.
So until someone comes up something more than their own gut feelings I'll give him a pass.
I'm not cheering on doping I'm saying I could care less,there are folks much more capable than us who now monitor these racer. I'll leave it to them.
The new sheriffs in town are no longer looking the other way.
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