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jmdirt

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05/19/2013 11:11 PM
j_a, you can cheer for me! Of course that will be tough because Idaho old man amateur dirt racing doesn't get a lot of TV time or press! ;}

Cheer for whoever makes you happy (I mean that) but look for a young guy to cheer for too!
Master50

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05/20/2013 07:40 AM
Posted By Justin jmdirt on 05/19/2013 11:11 PM
j_a, you can cheer for me! Of course that will be tough because Idaho old man amateur dirt racing doesn't get a lot of TV time or press! ;}

Cheer for whoever makes you happy (I mean that) but look for a young guy to cheer for too!


Always a new guy to admire but the old guys inspire too. The closer I get to 60 the more attention I pay to the vets.
jmdirt

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05/24/2013 08:48 AM
"The closer I get to 60 the more attention I pay to the vets."

Like DiLuca? The reason that I suggest cheering for the young guns is because there is a chance that they could be racing cleaner but the vets only know how to race loaded. If you cheer for Jens, DiLuca, Vino, etc. you encourage the young guys to be like the vets. The tough part is deciding where one generation ends and the other begins.

I want to believe that Vin is winning this Giro cleaner than has been done in the past.
Pin0Q0

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05/29/2013 11:01 AM
jimdirt I could't have said better. "The wanna be know it all" need to stop supporting and cheering for these over paid buffoons.
Patched Tube

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05/29/2013 01:51 PM
Well if the last decade plus has taught us anything its that, at first approximation everybody dopes. It follows then, that cheering or not cheering for any particular rider on that basis makes no sense.

Jens works hard, is a good team mate, and show a bit of humility - as far as at goes that's a good reason to cheer him.

As a wise friend of mine has said many times "enjoy the show".
-- that which cannot be proven as true must be regarded as false or not affirmed as true
jmdirt

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07/03/2013 10:54 AM
Jens, you and Udo were (are) like brothers so now what is your story?
79pmooney

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07/03/2013 12:29 PM
I'm not a fan of Voight. I am pretty sure that all the big time dopers of the days got to reap permanent changes to their engines that stay on years after they go clean. Voight may well be one of those.

That said, Voight was born into the body of a diesel and he has trained and used that diesel well. At 40, he is still a diesel. He'll be a (slower) diesel at 70. He is also humble, a great teammate and a fun guy. He came up in the time of the doped peleton.

I'll be glad when all the dopers have been aged out of the peleton. But as dopers and ex-dopers go, Jen Voights is far from the worst, both as a person and as a believable racer. Yes he drove the doped peleton many times for miles. But in a world where drugs never existed, Jens Voights would be doing the same thing. I used to race against guys who did the same. Amateur US lower classes. No drugs (except pot and alcohol). I hated them. As a climber, they made for some LONG days!

Ben
stinkyhelmet

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07/03/2013 01:13 PM
"got to reap permanent changes to their engines that stay on years after they go clean."

Exactly!

That is one thing a lot of folks overlook. Think of how your fitness improves after a solid winter of base building or after a good block of strength. Just imagine the quality of your base you build with a dope-infused program....the effects are long lasting, if not permanent.
THE SKINNY

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07/03/2013 01:46 PM
why was/is his bike a different color that the rest of his team? his was grey and the rest were aqua.
How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives.
mondonico

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07/04/2013 02:18 PM
Not trying to come down on one side or the other. But did not Jens came out of East Germany as a young kid who was picked to be one of their choosen ones. Hard to change things you were raised with.
laurentja

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07/05/2013 08:51 AM
Posted By pike HillRoad on 05/19/2013 06:11 PM
Sorry c2k - I am not buying that. He spent years rolling on the front - or off of it - in the tour day after day. Flats or mtns. And now is doing so at the age of 40. And this is against 20 somethings. As mush as I want to believe that at 40 I could, if I trained enough, be as fast as I was at 25, I know there is no way I could be.


Ha, that's so true. You'll FEEL like you are riding just as hard, and just as fast, but you'll be slower. That's just the way it is. Nonetheless, I find I still get the thrashing I wanted on rides so it is just as rewarding...!
jmdirt

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07/20/2013 08:12 PM
I just thought I would bring this thread to the top so you remember how I feel about the hard man. Its easy to stay hard if you're running nitro.

The interview was funny though.
neilbike

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07/22/2013 06:08 AM
best way to avoid a dope testing is to drop back and finish in the laughing group well outside the top 20 at the stage end. Voigt has been using that tactic for years.
Entheo

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07/22/2013 09:11 AM
Posted By Mike Kingery on 07/03/2013 01:13 PM
"got to reap permanent changes to their engines that stay on years after they go clean."

Exactly!



re: EPO, how is that true, considering one would return to their natural hematocrit level? also, evidence seems to indicate that when a rider goes clean(er) their results take a pretty dramatic hit.
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