huckleberry
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| 01/31/2021 06:26 PM |
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| Been going back and forth between the Ultimate and the Endurace - nearly the same exact specs, except for geometry. The Endurace would allow me to slam the stem and be in my present position and have the option to raise the bars if needed. The Ultimate would have me using all the 27mm of spacers included to get the bar to the height my present bike position puts me in. The Endurace is heavier by three-quarters of a pound, but half that weight is tire choice, saddle, cassette - so not a huge difference in weight, all things equal. My flexibility and desire to get in a good riding position is driving me to the Endurace, but my ego is trying to convince me to go with the Ultimate. I believe my common sense will win out. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 02/01/2021 12:54 PM |
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Here's the thing...with a slammed stem, the bike won't look like an "endurance" bike, but with 27mm of spacers, the "race" bike will end up looking like an "endurance" bike. 
Seems like the Endurace can satisfy both your desire and your ego!! It will fit you perfectly but look aggressive.
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huckleberry
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| 02/01/2021 03:44 PM |
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| Thanks CK. |
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huckleberry
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| 02/02/2021 01:38 PM |
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Okay, still fussing...
These comparisons are to the Lynskey that I presently ride and am fairly comfortable in, BUT do not spend a lot of time in the drops for flexibility and comfort...
The Canyon Endurance in Large is 2.8 cm taller in STACK and 2.0 cm shorter in REACH. I can possibly swap out for 10 mm more on the stem, but am not sure if I will regret the STACK, although I may now feel more comfortable spending much more time in the drops with such a high STACK
The Canyon Aeroad in Large is 1.5 cm shorter in STACK and just 0.5 cm short in the REACH. The Aeroad allows for 1.5 cm in spacers which would get me to the position I am presently riding, without feeling comfortable in the drops. I doubt the .5 cm shorter REACH will make enough difference to make up for the lack of STACK.
Thoughts?
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Cosmic Kid
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| 02/02/2021 03:50 PM |
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Have you ever done a Stack & Reach measurement for your HB tops and brake hoods? I would start there and see if you can then replicate those measurements on the two frames above.
I believe there are some online tools to help you determine what length / angle stem you would need to achieve the same position between two different bikes.... |
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huckleberry
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| 02/02/2021 03:59 PM |
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I don't believe that you can change the angle of the stem with the current Canyon cockpits. I think the only option is spacers.
I have been using the stack to the top of the bars for comparison, but the reach only to the middle of the bar. |
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smokey52
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| 02/03/2021 09:18 AM |
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| I understand you can get a good used bike in NYC. Just be careful of scratches where the lock was cut off. |
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huckleberry
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| 02/03/2021 09:51 AM |
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But, then I'd be too worried to ride through Manhattan again.
And a bit guilty. Depending on the deal. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 02/03/2021 10:24 AM |
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| Sounds like the Aeroad may be a better fit, literally and figuratively. Almost 3cm taller and 2cm shorter in reach is a LOT....especially since Canyon tends to spec pretty short stems on their bikes. |
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huckleberry
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| 02/03/2021 02:23 PM |
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Canyon does a weird thing with their Stack and Reach measurements. The y list the traditional Stack and Reach, then they also have the Stack +, and Reach +, which are the regular stack/reach heights PLUS the measurement to the top of the bar for Stack and the middle of the bar for Reach...
The regular Stack height listed is spot on for what I need, but in the + measurement the add a full 10 cm to the total number, meaning that from the top of the headtube headset to the top of the bar is 10 cm. I doubt the stem angle(6)/length(110) is such that it adds all of that 10 cm, so are they including the additional available spacers - 2.7 cm?
Can't find the answer on their website, and their CHAT feature is not open presently.
CK, do you know if your Canyon was listed like that? |
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huckleberry
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| 02/03/2021 02:57 PM |
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| Okay, got it. Talked to a Canyon rep. The Stack + does include all the spacers that you could elect to put in. So without them, the Large is spot on to the Stack I currently ride. Because of the way they measure the Reach I am only short by 1 cm, and that may be better with their bar and SRAM shifter. |
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zootracer
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| 02/03/2021 02:58 PM |
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| Huck-why don't you just call Canyon and ask them? |
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huckleberry
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| 02/03/2021 03:19 PM |
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| Didn't I just say that in the response above yours ; ) |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 02/03/2021 04:06 PM |
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CK, do you know if your Canyon was listed like that?
I don't think so....it just went by standard S & R, IIRC.
Sounds like you have it sorted though.... |
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zootracer
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| 02/03/2021 06:06 PM |
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| Huck, Perhaps it was because we replied at nearly the same time. I bought a Trek Domane with the "Endurance" geometry and I love it. Bought it off the show room floor with no test ride. Just adjusted the saddle height. Best riding bike I've ever owned. |
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