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Cosmic Kid

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10/26/2020 08:13 AM
Still amazes me that these guys are using jackets with zippers....30 years ago I was using a Pearl Izumi windbreaker with Velcro....greatest closure system on a jacket I have ever had. Easily and quickly closed.

Sure, a zipper will be more watertight, but no jacket keeps you completely dry anyway. Velcro closures let you get a quick close and you can then adjust as needed. Can also be done with long-fingered gloves since the dexterity required is minimal.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Orange Crush

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10/26/2020 09:41 AM
A big factor probably is that this time around they are trying to don jackets over a lot of base layers instead of skinny arms. Certainly this may have factored for Roglic.

Valverde apparently has rain jackets in three different sizes for this very reason.
79pmooney

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10/26/2020 12:18 PM
Posted By Orange Crush on 10/26/2020 09:41 AM
A big factor probably is that this time around they are trying to don jackets over a lot of base layers instead of skinny arms. Certainly this may have factored for Roglic.

Valverde apparently has rain jackets in three different sizes for this very reason.

CK, the big non-waterproof outdoor zippers are pretty darn easy to start and reliable.  And I agree wholeheartedly on staying away form waterproof zippers.  I love 'em - for dry suits.  But cycling jerseys and jackets where so much moisture is created inside the jacket?

My favorite jerseys are my spring/fall bright orange Mavic jerseys (with a whole bunch of good silver reflecting fabric).  Very comfortable, nice fit, really well made except they skimped on zippers.  (On sale for months at a local shop, knocked down from $100 to $30.)  I bought 4.  Went to an outdoor fabric supply and picked up 4 bright orange zippers, big plastic YKK.  Had the local dry cleaner send them out to get the zippers put on.  $30 each.  (There aren't quite perfect zip up from scratch on the bike zippers but only because the seamstress gave them the treatment appropriate for dress clothes, not cycling jerseys.  Once started, they zip up and down like a charm.  With the added tabs of some outdoor bags, they'd start just as easily.)

Now the really funny thing about all this is that Roglic (and the others at the Giro) would have fared far better with the ancient technology of newspaper.  Of course, like zippers, there are good and poor newspapers.  Strong when wet?  Ink that doesn't run?  But the research is cheap and enough for a team and 3 week tour costs what? A third of one jacket?
Dale

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10/26/2020 02:13 PM
Newspapers... Ben, you are dating yourself!

I tell some of the guys I ride with about that and they look at me like I'm making up ridiculous fairy tales

One of my buddies got gapped on a fast 100 miler last week when he had to sit up and futz around reaching into his pockets to get some food. With diminished flexibility I dislike the pocket placement on the new styles, they seem to be located higher due to the entire jersey being shorter. I don't want a loose jersey, just one that is a tad longer so I don't have to reach my shoulder blade to get a gel.
longslowdistance

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10/26/2020 02:32 PM
Way back in the day, wool jerseys had optional front pockets, closed with buttons. Easier to keep a small item handy. The rear pockets would contain a folded spare tubular tire as well as food.
Orange Crush

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10/26/2020 03:20 PM
Posted By Dale Dale on 10/26/2020 02:13 PM
Newspapers... Ben, you are dating yourself!

I tell some of the guys I ride with about that and they look at me like I'm making up ridiculous fairy tales


The best part is these days newspapers come with build in cookies. Do you accept all our cookies? Of course I do. Nom.
79pmooney

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10/26/2020 03:29 PM
Posted By Dale Dale on 10/26/2020 02:13 PM
Newspapers... Ben, you are dating yourself!

I tell some of the guys I ride with about that and they look at me like I'm making up ridiculous fairy tales

One of my buddies got gapped on a fast 100 miler last week when he had to sit up and futz around reaching into his pockets to get some food. With diminished flexibility I dislike the pocket placement on the new styles, they seem to be located higher due to the entire jersey being shorter. I don't want a loose jersey, just one that is a tad longer so I don't have to reach my shoulder blade to get a gel.

Dale, newspaper isn't long gone.  I've seen race footage in recent years of newspaper being stuffed at mountain passes - by the domestiques who know they probably won't have a team car handy.

I hear you on pockets.  One of the reasons I love those Mavic jerseys is that the pockets are really good.  Position - perfect.  Big.  Good sturdy material.  Can be stuffed many times.

I occasionally pull out my old racing jersey; made by Jones Cyclewear.  The fabric is synthetic and long before any of the modern stuff.  (Had it been wool it would have died many years ago.  It has a ridiculous number of miles and hours on it.)  Pockets are still right and good.  It's also fun that I can still war this jersey that was custom made for me as an in-form racer in the best condition of my life and that hasn't stretched at all.  Just VERY faded!
Orange Crush

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10/26/2020 08:39 PM
Someone noted elsewhere that Velcro and Lycra are a really poor match in the laundry machine. Perhaps that’s why it hasn’t taken off.
79pmooney

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10/26/2020 09:41 PM
Posted By Orange Crush on 10/26/2020 08:39 PM
Someone noted elsewhere that Velcro and Lycra are a really poor match in the laundry machine. Perhaps that’s why it hasn’t taken off.

Hey, they aren't just a good match.  They become inseparable.  Like a good marriage.
longslowdistance

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10/26/2020 10:53 PM
So close the velcro or wash separately. And get US made velcro. At least we do one thing better than anyone else.
79pmooney

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10/26/2020 11:04 PM
Posted By Frederick Jones on 10/26/2020 10:53 PM
So close the velcro or wash separately. And get US made velcro. At least we do one thing better than anyone else.

I wash my gloves and their velcro (closed) in the same delicate cycle with my cycling clothes.  Not an issue.  But I learned after having to administer some costly divorces.
Cosmic Kid

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10/26/2020 11:09 PM
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Someone noted elsewhere that Velcro and Lycra are a really poor match in the laundry machine. Perhaps that’s why it hasn’t taken off.


You shouldn’t wash a rain jacket in a washing machine...ruins the water repellency.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Orange Crush

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10/26/2020 11:31 PM
Hmm ya good point. I don’t think I’ve actually ever washed a rain jacket.

But I have had saddle bag Velcro do a number on bibs. Tight tolerances.
longslowdistance

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10/26/2020 11:44 PM
CK, apologies but disagree. And dirty stuff leaks. Wash with the gentle cycle in a front loader. Touch up with a hair dryer to renew the durable water repellency, which occasionally needs a renew, e.g. with Gore's or similar products. If diva goretex can endure it, DWR on some nylon can too.

longslowdistance

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10/26/2020 11:48 PM
And my apologies that I have contributed to the last words about the 2020 Giro being a debate about washing machines.
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