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Last Post 06/26/2013 08:06 PM by bob etzler. 24 Replies.
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C2K_Rider

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06/25/2013 08:30 PM
Nver heard of "Bike Pure" before today. So if Joe Blow starts an "anti-doping" organization and asks riders to join to prove they are not doping, and they don't join, that is supposed to imply they are not to be trusted?

A true catch-22 if you ask me.
bobswire

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06/25/2013 10:30 PM
Posted By Joe Rockbottom on 06/25/2013 08:30 PM
Nver heard of "Bike Pure" before today. So if Joe Blow starts an "anti-doping" organization and asks riders to join to prove they are not doping, and they don't join, that is supposed to imply they are not to be trusted?

A true catch-22 if you ask me.

Maybe if you read the article I posted above to start this thread,you would have noticed Froome joined them a few years ago, just because you never heard of them before today means zilch.

Quote: According to Layhe, Froome joined Bike Pure several years ago when he was part of the Barloworld setup. The organisation is voluntarily, but those who have been featured as members have benefited from a boost to their credibility as they aligned with an anti-doping organisation.
jmdirt

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06/26/2013 01:00 AM
Kieth and Ben, Doesn't the F1 "formula" govern HP, RPM, displacement, weight, fuel, aspiration, down force, length, width, etc.? The only way to find another 20 HP would be using EPO...err, I'm mixing the two sports now. Anyway, my point was that F1 doesn't have to report these things because they are covered by the formula. The formula is a secret moving target in cycling. Bike Pure is/was just an attempt to make that moving target visible.

As a side note, I think that I read that F1 is moving to small (1.2 L?) turbo charged V6 engines either next year or 2015.
durielk

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06/26/2013 08:37 AM
F1 does not govern HP or downforce. Most races are determined by driver experience & speed/downforce sweet spot for that track.
C2K_Rider

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06/26/2013 12:55 PM
Posted By bob etzler on 06/25/2013 10:30 PM
Posted By Joe Rockbottom on 06/25/2013 08:30 PM
Nver heard of "Bike Pure" before today. So if Joe Blow starts an "anti-doping" organization and asks riders to join to prove they are not doping, and they don't join, that is supposed to imply they are not to be trusted?

A true catch-22 if you ask me.

Maybe if you read the article I posted above to start this thread,you would have noticed Froome joined them a few years ago, just because you never heard of them before today means zilch.

yeah, I read it. It's apparently been around for a few years, but never heard of it so, since I do read some cycling news, it appears to be a low-level operation. The education component is admirable. Why any racer would participate in their data collection is a mystery. They have no authority whatsoever so their only mode of "enforcement" is to ask racers submit data, and then if they don't, imply there must be some issue they don't want known. Not exactly an organization anyone would want to get involved with considering there are plenty of official organizations already involved that have actual authority. So\, l the question stands: can anyone start an "anti-drug" organization, insist racers join, and if they do not, imply they have something to hide?
Yo Mike

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06/26/2013 01:22 PM
/So\, l the question stands: can anyone start an "anti-drug" organization, insist racers join, and if they do not, imply they have something to hide?/

That seems to be the case here. Great PR value with a gullible audience.

Senator Joe McCarthy would have made a great anti-doping crusader, if he hadn't so busy being a dope himself. See also: 'The Crucible' by Arthur Miller.
bobswire

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06/26/2013 01:49 PM
Posted By Michael Merva on 06/26/2013 01:22 PM
/So\, l the question stands: can anyone start an "anti-drug" organization, insist racers join, and if they do not, imply they have something to hide?/

That seems to be the case here. Great PR value with a gullible audience.

Senator Joe McCarthy would have made a great anti-doping crusader, if he hadn't so busy being a dope himself. See also: 'The Crucible' by Arthur Miller.

Joe McCarthy, why stop there when Hitler is available. Try to have a reasonable conversation and what happens, Velonews'esque post. I give up.
durielk

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06/26/2013 03:16 PM
Team leader going into the TdF, make public your power numbers???? you must be wacky!
Yo Mike

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06/26/2013 03:23 PM
Come on Bob, I'm being both pragmatic and sarcastic here.

I don't want doped athletes, for all kinds of reasons. I can, however, see why Froome or anyone 'coming up' would sign on to a 'Pure Cycling' type organization (team mandate?) and then distance from it as they move up the ranks. The car racing analogy KR and others discussed above appliies. I can also see how some folks, in consideration from the debacle / disaster of the LA years - 7 TdF wins annulled - in case you have forgotten - might use an anti-doping movement for their own 'purposes' as well.

No need to pull the 'Hitler card'. Seriously. Other despots - like Pol Pot and Joe Stalin, Genghis Khan - possibly envy him the attention in the afterworld - if there is one. Joe McC is a poser in comparison, thankfully.
bobswire

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06/26/2013 08:06 PM
Posted By Yo Mike on 06/26/2013 03:23 PM
Come on Bob, I'm being both pragmatic and sarcastic here.

I don't want doped athletes, for all kinds of reasons. I can, however, see why Froome or anyone 'coming up' would sign on to a 'Pure Cycling' type organization (team mandate?) and then distance from it as they move up the ranks. The car racing analogy KR and others discussed above appliies. I can also see how some folks, in consideration from the debacle / disaster of the LA years - 7 TdF wins annulled - in case you have forgotten - might use an anti-doping movement for their own 'purposes' as well

Mike, that was all you needed to say to get your point across, relating McCarthy to Pure Cycling was hyperbole.


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