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smokey52

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02/02/2016 07:04 PM
sorry, I just do not buy into Bernie's vision. How is he going to finance all of his initiatives? I do not see him building a coalition that can get anything done. Hillary is much more practical and knows the ropes. I really think she can get more done even with an antagonistic Congress. Again, I am not lock-step in tune with her views, but I am more in line with hers than any of the other candidates.
huckleberry

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02/02/2016 07:29 PM
Nobody asked you, Smokey.

Start your own thread ; )
smokey52

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02/02/2016 07:57 PM
for me, winter sucks for cycling. I stop outdoor road after the first salt application and wait for the spring rains to wash off the salt. I used to run, but now jog, and use the trainer while watching videos. The grandson (two months old today!) is a most pleasant distraction. Various thoughts run through my head while on the trainer, including these on politics, and sometimes they come out to be shared with my cycling buddies, none of whom I've actually met. It's been a civil discourse, something that seems foreign to the top tier of Republican candidates.
[Oh, "their" not "there" own interests, but who am I to criticize? It's just the internet.]
Orange Crush

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02/02/2016 08:13 PM
Posted By smokey 52 on 02/02/2016 07:57 PM

[Oh, "their" not "there" own interests, but who am I to criticize? It's just the internet.]


Shhh. I was going to point that out but English is not my first language :-)

As to who would pay for it all; what Bernie preaches is not some pipe dream. It is real and exists in many parts of the world. Its simply a matter of having the right priorities.
Nick A

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02/02/2016 08:51 PM
The Democratic party had ugly ties to southern racists, and used them to win elections. Johnson lost them when he did the right thing vis a vis civil rights, and Reagan gladly scooped them up. When your politics is driven by irrational fear, it's easy to make irrational decisions, even when in regard to your own self interest.

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Cosmic Kid

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02/02/2016 09:05 PM
I think smokey is right....Hillary stand the best chance of being an effective President. She knows the system, the games and what is required to get things done better than anyone else. Don't think how this can be disputed....

That said, I think she has a pathological aversion to the truth...I simply don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth (see recent 25moh vs. 35mph statements).

But after the gridlock imposed on the government for the last 8 years, perhaps an "establishment" president is what we need....but I can't vote for her.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
Dale

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02/02/2016 09:38 PM
The sad thing is regardless of the president we have a congress bought and paid for by Billionaires, Inc and due to gerrymandering the GOP has a stranglehold in many areas. Not that the Dems are pure as the driven snow, many of them are tools of the 1%
Orange Crush

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02/03/2016 12:27 AM
http://www.thebeaverton.com/national/item/2412-slow-canadian-takeover-of-u-s-going-according-to-plan
smokey52

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02/03/2016 06:22 AM
Thanks OC. The Beaverton has maple leaf similarities to The Onion, which just got bought by Univision, maybe in support of La Conspiración de Trump.
Dale, speaking of billionaires, did you notice that Mikey Bloomberg is considering making a third party bid if (Trump or Cruz) and Bernie get the nominations?
longslowdistance

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02/03/2016 07:30 AM
Bloomburg?!?!!
He can't get nominated as a Repub or probably even as a Dem because he's too close to the center.
If he runs as an independent, a Cruz-level wacko could win the whole thing. Don't do it!
Cosmic Kid

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02/03/2016 10:11 AM
I'd likely vote for Bloomberg if he ran Independent. But again, as noted, IL will go to the Dem candidate no matter what I do. I vote for the Dem, I am just a lost voice in the general clamor. I vote GOP and my vote doesn't count (fanks, Electoral College!).

At least if I vote 3rd party, I can make a (extremely) small statement about the state of current party politics.

Now, if I was in a swing state......fook, I dunno. If trump or Cruz were the GOP candidate, I'd likely have to hold my nose and vote for whomever the Dem candidate was. Neither one of those bozos are fit to be President.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
huckleberry

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02/03/2016 04:17 PM
Somebody yell at someone, please...

This is much too civil for politics on a forum ; )
smokey52

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02/04/2016 04:34 PM
Keep in mind that whoever started this thread described it as simulating discussions during a group ride. In my various groups, I have never seen someone intentionally ride another cyclist off the road. Civility should not be a surprise.
Back on topic: I saw Bernie (feel the Bern, not the BS) on CBS News this morning. One of his topics was the high cost of pharmaceuticals in the US compared to Europe and Canada. He should realize that the US market subsidizes global pharmaceutical development. Price is part of the approval process in Europe, not in the US. US NIH and university grants help with discovery, not development, where the real costs are. I worked in R&D in the pharma industry (not marketing, which really does need reform).
Cosmic Kid

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02/04/2016 04:46 PM
Yeah, I think your last sentence highlights part of the problem re: high costs in the US....marketing. BILLIONS are spent marketing new drugs (don;t even get me started on naming them).

All of which is designed to do one thing....get consumers to ask their doctors to prescribe a new drug for them.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
longslowdistance

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02/04/2016 08:01 PM
It wasn't always legal for pharma to advertise directly. Thank congress for that.
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