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Orange Crush

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09/13/2020 09:27 AM
That’s brutal. How was that missed? Clearly the UCI protocol was not followed.
Orange Crush

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09/13/2020 09:50 AM
Bernal is toast. Quintana toast.
Cosmic Kid

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09/13/2020 09:57 AM
Yup...game over for both. They will each lose minutes today.
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Cosmic Kid

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09/13/2020 10:07 AM
3rd slot on the podium now up for grabs...who gets it? Landa, Rigo, or someone else?
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Orange Crush

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09/13/2020 10:21 AM
Porte CK Porte (haha)
Cosmic Kid

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09/13/2020 10:34 AM
Porte CK Porte (haha)


Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
79pmooney

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09/13/2020 11:42 AM
So my Tour hopes have been dashed. Not entirely surprised, but a strong ride from NQ would have brightened my day. (And I need it. I can barely see three houses up the street.)

So now we have Pogacar and Sagan in the rough, wedges in hand and chipping away. If they can pull off enough birdies, they can do it. Bennett is impressing me. Fun to see a real green jersey competition. (Both their teams have done some hard work!)

Bardet- I just started reading Michael Bennet's "Things That Make White People Uncomfortable". Early on, he's talked about the CET in the NFL, that players are basically cannon fodder. (Good book. He writes well and has a lot to say. His heart is in the right place. And yes, it is not all fun to read.) The flip side is that the players and riders have a fierce desire to carry on, damn the torpedoes. I probably shouldn't have raced a last season and likewise, probably should have hung up the bike. I an sure my brain would be less scrambled if I could have been smarter about a few things but I do not have regrets.

Ben
Orange Crush

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09/13/2020 12:11 PM
Posted By Cosmic Kid on 09/13/2020 10:34 AM
Porte CK Porte (haha)




I would generally have same spit in coffee reaction but looking at standings 3rd spot would seem to be between Uran and Porte as relatively good in TT of which the latter looked fresher today.
longslowdistance

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09/13/2020 03:57 PM
So Jumbo is the new Sky, but easier to like (so far). Boring.
And when one country rises, it’s easy to be skeptical.
Orange Crush

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09/13/2020 04:12 PM
It looked like a dominant performance by JV but if you look closer than group in the end was pretty big and the differences at finish pretty small. The overall top 8 is also still pretty tight. This was different when Sky was dominant and Froome was flying. Even though they are riding in controlling fashion JV far from have this in the bag. They emulate the (boring) tactic but not in same dominant fashion.
Dale

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09/13/2020 08:19 PM
As an aside, watching the final climb sans the usual band of idiots (think longhorn man, fake-Borat, et al) was a delight.

Woot at the front must make people cry like they haven’t wept since the days of Jensie.
That last pull he made, what, 7k and shedding guys out the back like a redneck pitches beer cans out the window of a ‘79 F-150. What a beast!
Cosmic Kid

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09/14/2020 09:40 AM
And when one country rises, it’s easy to be skeptical.


90's - Italy
00's - US
10's - GB
20's - Slovenia (?)

Things that make you go "Hmmmmm....."

OC, re: Porte....I actually agree and would really like to see him on the podium. But he always manages to screw things up somewhere.
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Orange Crush

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09/14/2020 10:56 AM
You're missing Spain in that list though. There can be concurrent rises.

Columbia is an interesting case too.

Lots of direct smoke & fire around Slovenia re: Aderlass.

The one that always seems to fly just below the radar is Belgium.
79pmooney

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09/14/2020 12:17 PM
Posted By Orange Crush on 09/14/2020 10:56 AM
You're missing Spain in that list though. There can be concurrent rises.

Columbia is an interesting case too.

Lots of direct smoke & fire around Slovenia re: Aderlass.

The one that always seems to fly just below the radar is Belgium.

"Lots of direct smoke & fire around Slovenia re: Aderlass."  Oregon too, but drug tests seem to only come with THC regularly. 

There is another factor here - genetic body types.  There are peoples (before civilization, no one would be offended calling them tribes) that have body types very well suited their native environments and for specific activities.  Some sports (and certain positions of team sports) are dominated by people from certain places.  Marathons and the high altitudes of Kenya.

In cycling - the small people from the high altitudes of Columbia dominate in the mountains.  The Belgians and Dutch I have known, although not cyclists at all, certainly look like powerful roleurs.  (OC, you do not look physically like one of my Dutch friends.  This isn't a universal statement.)

I am reading a book written by one of the strongest players in the NFL.  He talks openly about his ancestors being slaves.  I am pretty certain, those slaves came from West African tribes noted for their size and strength and that commanded high prices as field hands.  (At 11 years old, he lifted a tractor that was about to crush his granddad.)

Cycling also goes through changes.  3 week tours sometimes favor all-arounders and power, sometimes more altitude.  A flow of changes in team tactics.  Rule changes.  The popularity of the various types of racing.  So best body types for the sport isn't a constant.

I am not ruling out the drug enhancements.  We all know the EPO years, have wondered when we are going to hear what Sky did.  Belgians?  Colombia with its huge domestic coca scene (I doubt the riders use a lot of cocaine but that does create a "culture")...  Right now, the Tour Colombians are looking quite real!  Quintana and Bernal not looking super-human at all.  But being walked on by Slovenians?  Hmmm.  Granted, both of those Colombians have crashed hard recently, Quintana very hard back in July.

Another aspect of the flow of nationalities in cycling is political/circumstantial.  As cycling becomes both known and possible as a way out for blue collar young men and one of their countrymen leads the way as an example, that country then becomes a source of young men motivated to "get out" like the Blacks of inner city US through basketball.  (Now those young men often are not grounded in the middleclass white US notion of "clean and fair play".  The "rules"  of the outdoor courts of the US inner city and the roads of eastern Europe are quite unlike the prep school I played my sports at.  We played to win cleanly.  They play to get out.  If that means an elbow to a place where it doesn't belong or taking this or that, well if that young man can get out, make good money and send some to his mom, isn't that good?

No answers here.  But I try to keep an open heart.  Yes, I want better testing and a cleaner sport but that is as much so those young men don't have to poison themselves in their quest.  The early EPO deaths, Lyle Alzedo, Cortez Kennedy.  Shouldn't happen.  Ex-players and riders should be able to live a decent life.

Ben
Cosmic Kid

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09/15/2020 09:59 AM
Bernal riding in the same group as Bennett on a mountain stage in the Tour.

Raise your hand if you had THAT scenario on your 2020 Hellscape Bingo Card?
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