Orange Crush
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| 09/06/2020 08:42 PM |
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Posted By Cosmic Kid on 09/06/2020 07:53 PM
OC, maybe I misinterpreted your post....but agree 100% with your last one.
Probably then. My Giro comment was meant to indicate that this Tour seems as wide open and exciting as Giro typically is. Am thinking it is maybe because of its placement in season. Teams aren’t as strong so it brings about a one on one fight between leaders. |
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Orange Crush
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| 09/08/2020 09:27 AM |
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Ahem.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ineos-grenadiers-mitchelton-cofidis-and-ag2r-staff-test-positive-for-coronavirus-at-tour-de-france/ |
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79pmooney
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| 09/08/2020 10:42 AM |
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| Bigger news - maybe not affecting racing but on the world stage - the most visible face in cycling, Christian Prudhomme tested positive. This should keep contact tracers busy. Perhaps a cluster of positives. Could be ban news for cycling. (Hoping to be wrong.) |
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Orange Crush
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| 09/08/2020 03:28 PM |
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| What Prudhomme's example and four team member staff member positives show is that, like I said, the social interactions are biggest risk factor. Yes, the fans along road present a risk as well but the primary risk remains and has always been close interactions. Prudhomme being in organizing group and also hosting daily guests in car of course put him at heightened risk so this is not a surprise. Curious if a guest brought it in. Yes, the contact tracing should be interesting. Also for the four teams with one positive each (not necessarily a big puzzle for them but it could put valuable assets at risk). |
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mondonico
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| 09/08/2020 04:31 PM |
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And if I'm correct one more pos from any team member or rider by Monday and the whole team is out for the four pos. is it tru they don't test again till Monday.
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longslowdistance
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| 09/08/2020 05:11 PM |
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| To add to the confusion: false positive PCR (nasal test for acute infections) are uncommon but do occur. And there is is possibility of re-infection, but IMO those folks are highly unlikely to be contagious, even though they may test positive for a time. (To be clear, this reinfection issue is far from resolved, just my opinion. I do follow the medical literature.) |
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79pmooney
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| 09/08/2020 05:12 PM |
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| I'm guessing that those teams and staff get tested further. No way French pandemic officials are going to just let this lie for a week and let this blow up. (Witness how fast the change to 2 riders, not 2 riders+staff got reverted.) |
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Orange Crush
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| 09/08/2020 07:06 PM |
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I believe the teams are internally testing daily and are to report this to organization (tour doctor). Of course this is a bit of an honor system. The team testing includes a check list for potential symptoms.
The next overall big sweep test by ASO is indeed only next Monday. LSD - there were a few false positives yesterday which were corrected through secondary tests that came back negative.
Yes, looks like French government forced ASO to keep the two strikes and entire team is out. So four teams are now at heightened risk. I forget what I initially estimated this to be but figured maybe 2-6 teams may get removed. Can you imagine if Bernal gets removed just after grabbing the race lead at Columbier on Sunday? |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 09/08/2020 08:04 PM |
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I believe the teams are internally testing daily and are to report this to organization (tour doctor). Of course this is a bit of an honor system.
That is the first I have heard that....but if true, then the teams should just send riders home if they test positive for “saddle sores” or “knee problems” and avoid the issue entirely. |
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79pmooney
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| 09/08/2020 08:25 PM |
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Back to the racing. I've been updating my Tour roster with crashes as I learn them. To date, I've heard that a full 1/3 of the peloton has seen the asphalt up close and personal. (Some of them more than once. And I am sure I've missed a few.)
Good work for D-QS and Sam Bennett.
Road furniture - I don't know the answer. Take roads back to pre-furniture so everyone drives at US speeds with US-like numbers of accidents? Stay off the heavily furnitured roads and stick to very rural roads, missing some of the best and most visible of France? Stick to major roads like highways? (Boring!) Better jobs of markings and padding - yes. The Tour does have the money, the resources and power to be heard. |
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Orange Crush
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| 09/08/2020 08:36 PM |
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Posted By Cosmic Kid on 09/08/2020 08:04 PM
I believe the teams are internally testing daily and are to report this to organization (tour doctor). Of course this is a bit of an honor system.
That is the first I have heard that....but if true, then the teams should just send riders home if they test positive for “saddle sores” or “knee problems” and avoid the issue entirely.
IIRC It is a 2x daily health check questionnaire to be completed by team doctor and submitted to ASO doctor. I do a 1x daily self check form before heading to work. It is like that I assume. Yes definitely potential to send suspect folks home with an excuse. It’s screening level and definitely not foolproof. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 09/09/2020 12:58 PM |
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Damn....I hate it when Sagan gets relegated. 
Total BS move by him.....tried to squeeze into a gap that wasn't there and initiated contact to create the space.
Likely means the end of the green jersey campaign for him....but look for him to go in the break tomorrow to try and get some points back. |
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Orange Crush
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| 09/09/2020 02:51 PM |
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Posted By Cosmic Kid on 09/09/2020 12:58 PM
but look for him to go in the break tomorrow to try and get some points back.
Or quit the race in protest and focus on Giro. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 09/09/2020 08:10 PM |
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| I could definitely see that, OC.... |
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79pmooney
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| 09/09/2020 09:21 PM |
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The overhead of Sagan's move is pretty damning. Yes, there are moments then there was room for Sagan but being clear behind and getting a moment of opportunity? No, that doesn't give you the green light.
Funny, I tried to squeeze between two riders in a race when I had just chased hard to get back on (I dropped my chain) and wanted to get as far up as I could to start the hill we were hitting. They came together as I arrived and sandwiched me. Rider to my leftt was pissed. Grabbed my jersey and threw me back! That hurt but I knew he was right; that I had no business being there. What Sagan did was exactly the same, just a barrier instead of an rider to the right and a whole lot faster. And he muscled his way through like somehow he was in the right.
So Sagan is playing the man to put some hair on van Aert's chest. He might come to regret that!
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