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Vaccines - the graphenes of the COVID world
Last Post 01/21/2022 10:40 PM by 79 pmooney. 184 Replies.
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79pmooney

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12/22/2020 02:09 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/21/upshot/after-vaccine-recommendations-experts.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20201222&instance_id=25294&nl=the-morning®i_id=119138258&segment_id=47564&te=1&user_id=a1d9a383c87e899abb6914a995b92637

From that article:

"During the pandemic, experts have asked people to think of themselves as having a risk budget: If you spend some of that limited supply by engaging in riskier behaviors, you will need to cut back in other aspects of your life. Vaccines can expand an individual’s risk budget, Professor Lofgren said. But they do not make the budget infinite: If you travel to see friends, you might still want to offset that decision by avoiding indoor restaurants."

Graphene in tire rubber - using the 6 pointed star and weighting each point for that tire's performance (rolling resistance, grip, feel, flat resistance, mileage, etc - I have long felt those weights, expressed as a number, add up to a finite sum; that increasing say rolling resistance come as a cost to grip. Flat resistance comes at a cost to almost everything else. Graphene changed the sum. You could now improve everything a touch or some things quite a lot, but the balancing act is still there.

Vaccines - the risk factors are now far lower but still there. It's still 1 in 20. (95%) We may still be contagious after recent exposure even if we don't get sick. To sum up in six words. Wet roads are still wet roads. (I saw an interview with a woman who wrote the book just out on Dolly Parton. She was asked to sum her up in 50 words. Paraphrase. The opposite of Donald Trump in every way! I think she used about 4 more words.)
mondonico

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12/22/2020 07:22 PM
Not the sharpest knife in the rack. But does not matter, when I get the vaccine I'm still planning on behaving like I have for the last year, for at least another year.
longslowdistance

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12/23/2020 12:22 PM
Testing positive and being contagious are not necessarily the same thing - I hope smart people are working on sorting this out.
Cosmic Kid

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03/16/2021 11:32 AM
Got the 1st Moderna shot this AM....very relieved to get the process started, mostly just to protect my wife.

Added bonus - looks like Iceland has the virus under control, and with getting vaccinated, there is no quarantine requirement now. So it is looking increasingly positive for me to do The Rift this year.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
79pmooney

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03/16/2021 12:57 PM
Good for you! I'm on the list, in the current pool but still waiting. My housemate got his first Sunday. He's a high risk so that's good. I'm hoping to get Moderna also, not because it matters but because it's "homebrew" and Donald Trump's complete opposite lent a real hand when it mattered. (The celebrity with the oh-so-pure voice and the huge heart.)
Orange Crush

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03/16/2021 12:58 PM
Looking like July or August here in Canada. They are doing the 90 year olds not in care homes now. I think they’re done the care homes.
longslowdistance

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03/16/2021 02:54 PM
Why so slow in Canada?
Orange Crush

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03/16/2021 04:27 PM
No domestic production. The slowdown has been in supply chain, not delivery. Canada hedged their bets on multiple vaccines some of which were approved later than others. Things coming in from US side also have been particularly tardy. Maybe you're mad at us because we still won't allow US cruise ships to moor in BC which is really painful for Alaskan economy (haha).

Things are starting to ramp up now that the supply issues have been resolved. Seems pretty similar to pace in Europe, my parents (early 80s) are up next week in NL. Then again, the urgency wasn't as great in US where fragile health care system has been totally overwhelmed. Our public system seems to be doing just fine, even when second wave was at it's peak. That second wave was brought under control so despite the slower vaccine delivery were not in a bad spot.
Orange Crush

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03/16/2021 07:50 PM
Just looking at stats at home with my wife. Aussie and New Zealand have barely vaccinated anyone (0.2%). Of course they also don’t have any cases to speak of. Seems the urgency is inversely proportional to the case load.

CK - good luck w the Rift. I think travel will remain challenging for a while still. I am banking on visiting family sometime in fall early winter.
longslowdistance

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03/16/2021 09:38 PM
I am eagerly planning a moto tour in Canada late summer but Ottawa is keeping the brakes on visits from their crazy neighbors, which I used to get but for late summer 2021 no not at all.
I'm vaccinated and have antibodies. I am no more likely to infect a Canadian than the man in the moon. How about a little common sense here. Poking every potential American visitor in the eye may be good short term politics, but IMO dumb to unnecessarily exclude - and piss off forever - potential tourists with money to spend. Ditto the week in Temblant my wife wants and the week at Whistler I want next winter. Screw me now for no good reason and it would be hard to forget.
Related: The US government has decided to stay out of the Covid passport biz, I assume only to avoid riling the large tin foil hat segment of our populace who aren't so sure about that Socialist vaccine.
Jeez.
Orange Crush

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03/16/2021 10:12 PM
You can’t open the border piecemeal is the short answer, impossible to police and control.

So it remains shut until it fully reopens, which will take time for vaccinations to complete on both side of border.

I’m not even sure Whistler or Tremblant care too much. Whistler has been hopping this winter as have a lot of vacation spots. Domestic travel has replaced the international visitors. The cruise depending industry seems to be main exception. So you’re just going to have to park the misplaced indignation and be patient.

Btw - we had some outbreaks in care homes that were vaccinated. Being vaccinated does not prevent transmission risk. The consequences of the outbreaks were mild, that changed. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/23-cases-of-covid-19-identified-in-outbreak-at-kelowna-care-home-where-most-residents-staff-vaccinated-1.5951130
Cosmic Kid

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03/16/2021 10:28 PM
CK - good luck w the Rift. I think travel will remain challenging for a while still.


As of now, organizers are very optimistic about it happening. And Iceland has said that if you have had the vaccine, there will be no quarantine on arrival (which had been 5 days).

We’ll see...fingers crossed. Have a flight and rental van booked and hotel reservation, as well. We’ll need to out a deposit down next month on the hotel, I think.
Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
79pmooney

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03/16/2021 10:29 PM

Posted By Orange Crush on 03/16/2021 10:12 PM
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Btw - we had some outbreaks in care homes that were vaccinated. Being vaccinated does not prevent transmission risk. The consequences of the outbreaks were mild, that changed. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/23-cases-of-covid-19-identified-in-outbreak-at-kelowna-care-home-where-most-residents-staff-vaccinated-1.5951130


Yup. Graphene. Really, really good stuff but not magic. We still get flats. Tires still wear out. It's still the balance between rolling resistance, grip, damage control, weight and feel.
Orange Crush

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03/16/2021 11:28 PM
Yeah Island obviously has a lot riding economically on opening back up.

Same w Hawaii. Despite all other closures there’s still weekly flights headed there.
Orange Crush

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03/16/2021 11:57 PM
Btw it reads as if a volcanic eruption may be imminent.

https://in.news.yahoo.com/iceland-hit-40-000-earthquakes-080220950.html
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