Cosmic Kid
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| 12/15/2021 11:57 PM |
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Saw a report today where Fauci said that vax w/ boosters appears to be as effective against omicron as the original virus.
But cases are definitely spiking everywhere….Cornell shut down their campus yesterday due to exploding cases.
Had a fever since Sunday night….two negative rapid tests but finally got my PCR result tonight, which was also negative. How it takes almost 72 hours to get test results almost 2 years into this nightmare is beyond me. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/16/2021 12:05 AM |
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Good thread here by the excellent Andy Slavitt.
https://twitter.com/aslavitt/status/1471358851089768449?s=21 |
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longslowdistance
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| 12/16/2021 03:20 AM |
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| I’m thinking a J and J would be a nice booster for those of us who so far have had only the Pfizer and/or Moderna. Mix and match clearly boosts more arms of our immune systems. Can’t find J and J in my area, alas. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/16/2021 08:53 AM |
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The mix and match approach has not been proven…..at least not in the data that I have seen.
But based on efficacy, I would avoid J&J at this point, especially as a booster. (And I don’t think J&J has been approved as a booster)
If you want to mix and match, get Moderna if you had Pfizer or vice versa. I went with Moderna for all 3 shots. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/16/2021 01:43 PM |
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BCs mix and match strategy was deemed a success. Of course it was bound to be deemed a success because that is strategy they had to apply with different vaccines becoming available at different times. So success is basically defined as accelerating the pace of vaccine rollout (rather than protection effectiveness), which is a fine definition IMO.
Yes, 72 hours for a test is crazy. When I did my molecular test in Paris I got a result in 24hrs. My kids GF also got her result in 24.
The problem with boosters is that at pace at which they're being rolled out is too slow to stop omnicron. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/16/2021 02:21 PM |
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I should clarify....when I said the mix & match approach had not been proven, I menat it had not been proven to be the "most" effective. It is absolutely effective and I would not hesitate to tell anyone to go that route. It is like trying to decide what the "fastest" wheel....who fooking cares? They are all fast these days so get the one you want. The differences are minimal...so get whichever wheel (shot) you can.
Yes, 72 hours for a test is crazy.
Which is the result of the labs being slammed with tests.....cases are rapidly increasing. You'd think we would have ramped up our testing capabilities as well, but.....*shrug*
I have started to see some discussion that, if enough people can get vaxxed / boosted, omicron could represent the beginning of the end for COVID....a more highly contagious, but less virulent strain that becomes the dominant strain and chokes out the more deadly forms.....then COVID essentially becomes the cold or the flu.
But the qualifier of getting enough people vaxxed probably kills any chance of that happening....sadly. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/16/2021 07:13 PM |
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The trajectory of COVID will become more and more like the flu with or without vaccinations.
The real question is how long we need to deal w mutations and how many more. That question doesn’t depend on domestic vaccination levels, it depends on getting people across the globe vaccinated. It’s high time for rich countries to help out the poorest countries that is in everyone’s best interest. |
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smokey52
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| 12/16/2021 08:22 PM |
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OC, as you know, people still die from the flu. As Covid progresses, CDC/FDA will have to guess/predict likely new strains to tailor the vaccines. Fortunately, the new Covid variants are characterized quickly with modern technology, which helps with vaccine refinements. https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/Omicron-puts-scientists-red-alert/99/i44
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Orange Crush
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| 12/16/2021 08:30 PM |
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Posted By smokey 52 on 12/16/2021 08:22 PM
OC, as you know, people still die from the flu.
Yes agreed. I was merely commenting on CKs note that the COVID evolutionary trajectory towards something more flu like would be impacted by vaccination. It is the inevitable natural evolutionary trajectory of any virus in its quest to survive and multiply.
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Orange Crush
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| 12/16/2021 09:20 PM |
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Moderna booster it is.
That and a loaf of bread and 4L of chocolate milk. But those are for the kid. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/16/2021 10:07 PM |
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Smokey - the problem with vaccine tailoring to new variants is that while it may be relatively quick it is still reactive and only gets done once there’s a new mutation. Then you have to distribute it, etc etc.
The proper quest should be for universal vaccine but there’s precious little momentum on that front: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/operation-warp-speed-vaccines-covid-1.6284038 |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/20/2021 11:18 AM |
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Both my boss and my sales guy tested positive over the weekend....thank god I did not go to the company Xmas party last Thursday.
But obviously I was exposed through both of them...at-home test last night was negative and I have no symptoms. PCR test scheduled for Wednesday (5 days after my last encounter with them).
Fingers crossed. |
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6ix
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| 12/20/2021 01:42 PM |
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Fingers crossed you don't get it, CK. It's wild seeing how many of my friends are getting it even though they are vaccinated. And feeling pretty bad too, but he wasn't scheduled to get booster until this week. Guess it was one week too late for him.
I think our society has completely given up even trying to fight it in the slightest. Due to weather and such, we've been left to either skip out on social activities or accept the risk of eating indoors recently. Not a fan of that at all but all the cook igloos and outdoor dining that we saw last year have vanished.
Humanity is terrible. We don't do even the smallest thing to help others or preventing them from getting sick. If anything, this whole pandemic - and all the crap surrounding the past few years in general - has shook me to the core. There are a lot of good people out there but they are silenced by the deplorables. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/20/2021 02:12 PM |
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Lets hope for the best CK. One of our local forumites (no longer active here but we're still connected via FB) tested positive last week but is (was) doing well. Whistler based, ski areas continue to be a hot bed for Covid. Will be avoiding them for another year.
Not on board that humanity is that terrible, but we're definitely hopelessly shortsighted and reactive, neither of which are good properties for a successful battle against Covid. We need to get in front of this thing (maybe by vaccinating the rest of the world where new variants keep popping up because of critical mass of unvaccinated; developing smarter universal vaccines that work against future variants) instead of constantly running behind the facts by about 1-2 months. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/20/2021 10:57 PM |
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Another negative rapid test today….but the number of people was 3x what it was last week when I went to the same drive-thru test center. Staff there doesn’t even watch you do it now…just give you the test, tell you how to do it and come back to collect it.
So who know how many people aren’t doing it right and not getting accurate results?
At-home tests are almost impossible to find in our area.
We are failing…..and the people who have tried to do the right thing all along are carrying the burden. |
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